ATL: IRMA - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12101 Postby KC7NEC » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:07 pm

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I believe it's just one more symptom of the communication problem that NHC and NWS has with the general public. One of their worst enemies is the forecast track line. Everyone pays attention to the line as a line. When it's forecast to be 100 miles away, I'm obviously safe. Whenever tv mets get on the air their first words are "We have a new forecast track and it's shifted...".

I bet if you had a conversation with the 98% of the population in central Florida that are surprised tonight they would say "But I thought the hurricane was staying in the GOM". For some reason, the fact that they've been under a hurricane warning and told to expect potential hurricane conditions was completely ignored.

I guarantee this communication problem will be a prime topic of conversation when these winds die down. NHC and NWS will defend their statements as perfectly clear while a surprised and damaged population will scream for their heads. The only saving grace will be that it will be months before they get power back to write an email to their legislator and they'll be pissed with the power company (FPL, Duke, etc.) more than the weather forecasters and tv mets.


No one in the state should have been surprised. Except for the western Panhandle, most of the state has been under a hurricane warning. Only a few counties (mainly around Pensacola) have not been in any tropical headlines.


Yes, I agree and that is my point. The message is clear to everyone that can read and understand what a hurricane warning means. But the average Joe just doesn't get it. How many people do you think took down or never put up their shutters on the east coast of Florida and have endured 80-90mph gusts all afternoon? As soon as the line shifted from the east coast to the west coast, the all clear was sounded for the east coast. Anyone who took a glance at this beast's wind field still expected a very damaging storm on the east coast. But the average Joe never got the message.


All valid points but missing the key realistic thing about public....

They have to blame someone other than themselves.

In areas that did not get storm surge as expected, they will blame the NHC for creating chaos for nothing, in areas getting hammered that were not "on the line" NHC will get blamed. No matter how detailed and accurate the NHC is they will get blamed somehow because the general public does not want to be responsible for themselves.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12102 Postby NDG » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:07 pm

Centralflamama wrote:In Polk county. Winds picking up big time in the last 15 minutes.


The COC is just entering Polk County tonight with deep convection around it and possible 100 mph winds.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12103 Postby jdjaguar » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:08 pm

Wow.
Look at that band on radar that stretches from offshore Cuba to Orlando.

Just wow.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12104 Postby Michele B » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:08 pm

Centralflamama wrote:In Polk county. Winds picking up big time in the last 15 minutes.


You;re pretty close to what used to be the eye now.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12105 Postby Callista » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:10 pm

Why is Irma so large, and other hurricanes equally powerful are much smaller?
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12106 Postby terstorm1012 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:14 pm

all of peninsula florida was forecast to get hurricane conditions of some level and that forecast is verifying. looks like a scary night for the orlando area.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12107 Postby wxman57 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:14 pm

Callista wrote:Why is Irma so large, and other hurricanes equally powerful are much smaller?


Moving over land always disrupts the core of a hurricane. The energy spreads out over a larger area. Happened with Katrina, Ike, Wilma, and Ivan (and others). Like Wilma, Irma is interacting with a cold front. That's some pretty cool, dry air flowing out into the Gulf west of Irma. Dewpoints in the 50s across the FL Panhandle. Irma is no longer purely tropical, and it's expanding.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12108 Postby Hurricane_Apu » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:15 pm

It's going right up Lake Wales Ridge. The winds up there are going to be insane.
If there's somehow a chaser on top of Sugarloaf Mountain, he's probably getting Harvey quality video right now...
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12109 Postby northjaxpro » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:15 pm

:uarrow: Is Irma pulling a Fay? Is that deep convection trying to wrap around the center lifting north from the Everglades region? Is Irma trying to strengthen?
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12110 Postby Bamagirl2408 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:17 pm

Track difference reminds me of Ivan who had bullseye on Mobile and eye went to Orange Beach/ Perdido/Pensacola at last minute. About same distance as Tampa or Orlando.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12111 Postby Alyono » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:22 pm

while Orlando will see gusts in the 80s from Irma, this will not be a Charley repeat. I do not expect sustained 80+ with gusts over 110 like we had with Charley
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12112 Postby Ptarmigan » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:24 pm

abajan wrote:Irma's tropical storm force wind field has expanded significantly! To quote from the 11 PM advisory:

Irma has a very large wind field. Hurricane-force winds extend
outward up to 80 miles (130 km) from the center, and tropical-storm-
force winds extend outward up to 415 miles (665 km).

:eek:


That is really large! Irma being over land for this long will cause the hurricane to get larger.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12113 Postby bqknight » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:25 pm

Alyono wrote:while Orlando will see gusts in the 80s from Irma, this will not be a Charley repeat. I do not expect sustained 80+ with gusts over 110 like we had with Charley


Orlando is getting it pretty bad right now. Think the worry is that it's been going on for awhile. Power just flickered. Many out around me.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12114 Postby tallywx » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:26 pm

Turn to NW (or at least NNW) looks to have finally commenced.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12115 Postby Smurfwicked » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:26 pm

Naples surge starting to rise again with the tides. Not an expert but I expect it to peak higher than earlier. And if I understand it all correctly should be on the rise for next 4 to 5 hours.

https://tidesandcurrents.noaa.gov/water ... id=8725110
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12116 Postby jasons2k » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:27 pm

This may sound cruel but I'm just frustrated. I was angry the other day when I saw the stories about people returning supplies, especially those with kids. The media, mets, everyone was practically screaming this was a huge storm and would affect virtually the entire state, coast to coast, no matter the final track. I'm sorry but if people can't understand that, that's on them. Sometimes no matter how hard you try you just can't fix stupid. Believe me, I've had my own 'communication issues' with some friends and family this week and it's frustrating trying to talk common sense into people sometimes. And yes the second something bad happens they will look to any scapegoat but their own dumb self; they won't take personal responsibility. OK, I need to stop because I should be setting a better example here. But between this, Harvey and the lady who got arrested going back to her flooded car for keys after her high water rescue in San Antonio, and the morons at Southernmost Point yesterday, I've had enough of crazy people risking their safety, and the safety of emergency workers, for awhile. I think it's time for me to step away and get some rest. Good night all, hope everyone in Irma's path stays safe. I'm spent.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12117 Postby jdjaguar » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:27 pm

Appears the NNW shift is taking hold from the radar presentation.

Question for the Pros...I am on the ICW and the NHC just bumped storm surge for The JAX Beach area to 3-5 ft.

High tide is 3:17am.

Is any expected surge already happening at my locale?

I would go outside myself and physically check but the gusts are 60+
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12118 Postby Steve » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:29 pm

Current WV shows why there was so much confidence the central and western gulf coast was never threatened and why Irma was shown to eventually have that western move later. Nice job by most of the models for pointing out both features in advance.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/natl/h5-loop-wv.html
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12119 Postby brghteys1216 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:33 pm

Getting slammed again here in Orlando at the moment but we still thankfully have power. Seeing lots of green flashes from transformers in the distance though.
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Re: ATL: IRMA - Hurricane - Discussion

#12120 Postby poof121 » Sun Sep 10, 2017 10:33 pm

BULLETIN - EAS ACTIVATION REQUESTED
Extreme Wind Warning
National Weather Service Tampa Bay Area Ruskin FL
1114 PM EDT SUN SEP 10 2017

The National Weather Service in Ruskin has issued a

* Extreme Wind Warning for...
Polk County in central Florida...

* Until 1245 AM EDT

* At 1111 PM EDT, National Weather Service Doppler radar and
emergency management in Hardee County indicated a core of very
strong winds, associated with the eyewall of Hurricane Irma that
were moving northward into Polk County. Wind gusts greater than
100 mph are possible across Polk County through 1230 AM. This is
an dangerous and potentially life-threatening situation for those
outdoors!

* Locations impacted include...
Lakeland, Winter Haven, Haines City, Bartow, Lake Wales,
Auburndale, Fussels Corner, Combee Settlement, Lakeland Linder
Airport, Medulla, Jan Phyl Village, Poinciana, Fort Meade, Lake
Alfred, Crooked Lake Park, Mulberry, Dundee, Frostproof, Davenport
and Eagle Lake.

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

TAKE COVER NOW! Treat these imminent extreme winds as if a tornado
was approaching and move immediately to the safe room in your
shelter. Take action now to protect your life!
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