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#21 Postby JetMaxx » Tue Sep 30, 2003 4:36 pm

College degrees mean nothing...common sense and intelligence beat it any day of the week. No college degree will ever make a fool into a genius.

When I was employed by EDS in the mid-90's, there were a couple "college degreed" individuals in my department that needed assistance logging onto their PC workstations EVERY MORNING. Who did they ask for assistance?? Me...and I never went to college a day in my life (but did know how to login to my computer :D

I don't happen to agree with the channel 4 meteorologist that a significant TS or hurricane will race toward the Gulf Coast later this week....but his education level has nothing to do with it. Instead it's my experience of past similar situations and knowledge of the synoptic weather pattern currently evolving (a November-like trough with a strong upper jet and loads of stable, dry air pouring into the GOM behind the front with more on the way...near record cold for so early in the season).

This current BOC system is far more likely to be absorbed by the front or become a baroclinic hybrid storm (sub or none-tropical) that a true tropical storm or hurricane. In fact, my analysis is that a significant hurricane is impossible in such a hostile enviroment.
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#22 Postby Lindaloo » Tue Sep 30, 2003 5:46 pm

You are absolutely right Perry!! If there is no common sense, a college degree is useless. lol.

I also agree with Bonnie. When I am in the New Orleans area, I alway tune in to Bernard. IMO there is no evidence to prove him wrong as of yet. But calling him a toy met is just down right wrong.
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#23 Postby george_r_1961 » Tue Sep 30, 2003 6:43 pm

Well the GOM system this evening looks more like a frontal type system on sattelite than a hybrid/tropical type system. Not saying tropical development wont occur but its starting to look unlikely..at least in the short term.
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#24 Postby ColdFront77 » Tue Sep 30, 2003 6:55 pm

The upper level wind shear continues to decrease at the southern portion of the "shear shield"... one indicate, anyway, of the frontal system weakening.

http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real- ... g8shtZ.GIF
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#25 Postby john186292 » Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:13 pm

John New Orleans again...

Good to hear Ch four has some mets with degrees in met. I am always willing to be corrected on the facts.

The poster who had info on ch four...pls add details...does bernard have a met degree? Is the chief met, Arridando, who you mentioned as having some degree...is the degree in met? Not getting disagreeable, just want more light on the full quality level at ch four.

I cant access their site..registration glitches. PS the corp. owning ch four is BELO.
Thanks again for the corrective info,
John New Orleans
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All have Met degees.

#26 Postby Stormcenter » Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:15 pm

They (weathermen) all have Met degrees at WWL-TV.
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#27 Postby john186292 » Wed Oct 01, 2003 1:17 pm

Thanks, good to know. Wonder if any tv anywhere in the nation has mets with higher level degrees? other than dr. lyons?
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#28 Postby ColdFront77 » Wed Oct 01, 2003 3:04 pm

john186292 wrote:John New Orleans again...

Good to hear Ch four has some mets with degrees in met. I am always willing to be corrected on the facts.

The poster who had info on ch four...pls add details...does bernard have a met degree? Is the chief met, Arridando, who you mentioned as having some degree...is the degree in met? Not getting disagreeable, just want more light on the full quality level at ch four.

I cant access their site..registration glitches. PS the corp. owning ch four is BELO.
Thanks again for the corrective info,
John New Orleans

Isn't Arridando the meteorologist that was on PBS' AM Weather?


Some local media outlet meteorologist are doctors, such as Dr. Neil Frank, which I believe is a professional meteorologist in southeastern Texas.
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#29 Postby john186292 » Wed Oct 01, 2003 5:12 pm

THanks...
Karl Arridondo..I never saw PBS show..description..Karl looks italian, large nose, seem to be short, thin, serious. Likeable, trustworthy sort. Seems like a scientific type of guy. Glasses. Inspires confidence in his judgement. Answered my email, which counts for a lot to me. LOL

I have heard of neil frank...what national exposure would have done that, i wonder?
John new orleans.
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#30 Postby Stevex2 » Wed Oct 01, 2003 6:01 pm

Arrodondo used to be on The Weather Channel. The original poster had a mis-assumption. It's WDSU Channel 6's mets that are not degreed. Dan Milham has often argued the validity of a BS vs. correspondence courses which is all he requires for his mets. That's the reason you had Kenny Stabler's wife (Rose Stabler) and people like Margaret Orr doing the weather over there.

As to the difference, I have to disagree with the majority here. One can certainly get by on common sense, but no one can argue that a better understanding of the weather comes from the time, work and effort required to obtain a degree (or post grad degree). That might not be necessary for someone to interpret models or echo a NWS forecast or even modify it somewhat do to their familiarity with a locale, but when it comes to tropical forecasting on tv, I'm going to stick with those who demonstrate a better understanding. In the case of New Orleans, that's Channel 4 and Channel 8.

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#31 Postby ColdFront77 » Wed Oct 01, 2003 10:53 pm

Thank you, Steve. I knew I heard the name "Arrodondo" before... having national exposure.
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#32 Postby Steve » Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:02 pm

No problem. He's kind of a short guy with glasses and a hooked nose. He used to do the tropical updates in spanish. Let me see if I can find an image, and you're sure to recognize him. He's a good guy and almost got bumped in an overglut of mets at WWL several years back. Fortunately Dave Barnes (who I never could personally stand) took the fall and Carl got the the title of chief.

Image

Or if that didn't work, here's the link to his photo:

http://www.amsbwm.org/images/carl_zhome.jpg

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#33 Postby ColdFront77 » Wed Oct 01, 2003 11:07 pm

I have been watching The Weather Channel since the mid 1980's, but don't remember seeing Carl.
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#34 Postby john186292 » Thu Oct 02, 2003 1:05 pm

Thanks, steve for the depth info.
Would you know

one...the length of ch six correspondence courses? is it for a bs? or the short course alluded to in disgust, by af met in a post here?

two..what are the ch twenty six qualificattions?

three..why does AMS help the short course mets look top notch by giving out their seal to them? The public is being led to mis assumptions, like ...as if a guy with a minor in biology got a seal from the AMA, calling him an MD.

Both hurric. mets and doctors have lives on the line. ONLY hurr mets, have dozens of lives at stake all at once. I wonder about the AMS. Got to wonder what they are thinking. How is the governing group/person of the AMS selected?
john

PS Bernard has a BS in met. A poster here told me a day or two back,

and truly full of regret for having relayed the misinformation from ch eight, i immediately edited my orig post to erase the criticism of bernard.

So all who read the misinformation, pls note bernard has his BS in met.
I could not check the Ch four site, because their registration has glitches, last i checked.

BERNARD ON LARRY..just in..."rest assured, larry will not come up to new orleans."
great news. makes MY day!
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#35 Postby collegebroke » Thu Oct 02, 2003 1:18 pm

john186292 wrote:Thanks, good to know. Wonder if any tv anywhere in the nation has mets with higher level degrees? other than dr. lyons?


Dr. Neil Frank has been working at KHOU in Houston for about 10 years. One time, when my brother who was studying meteorology in the Air Force came to visit, he saw Dr. Frank on TV. I will never forget as he looked at the TV with this stunned look on his face and asked me with the most awed voice I've ever heard, "Do you know who that is? That's Dr. Neil Frank. I have been studying from his books!" :o

It was great to know that we had someone well repsected in the community. He has always been presented as a Tropical Weather expert. I've always enjoyed his reports because they are informative and well reasoned.
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#36 Postby Steve » Thu Oct 02, 2003 2:34 pm

Sorry John. I have none of those answers.

Steve
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