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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Discussion (Advisories beginning at 5pm on Potential TC)

#221 Postby Florida1118 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:43 pm

Hammy wrote:So they're initiating advisories on a "potential" system, but my question is what happens if it doesn't develop after that? Won't that further undermine public confidence in the warnings?


I doubt it. Much of the public is interested in impacts, not the scientific workings behind the scenes (such as whether a system has a closed low-level circulation or not). For most of these systems, the impacts will probably be the same, regardless of whether its technically a Tropical Storm / Depression or not. Now if they issued hurricane watches or warnings sure, but for Tropical Storm level watches and warnings the impacts are probably going to be similar enough that it wouldn't impact public perception much, if at all.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 92L - Discussion (Advisories beginning at 5pm on Potential TC)

#222 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:51 pm

For a second I thought this was Invest 93L in the Western Caribbean, boy that escalated quickly! :lol:
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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#223 Postby Florida1118 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:55 pm

...TROPICAL STORM WARNING ISSUED FOR PORTIONS OF THE WINDWARD ISLANDS...

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WTNT32 KNHC 182055
TCPAT2

BULLETIN
Potential Tropical Cyclone Two Advisory Number 1
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL022017
500 PM AST Sun Jun 18 2017

...TROPICAL STORM WARNING ISSUED FOR PORTIONS OF THE WINDWARD
ISLANDS...


SUMMARY OF 500 PM AST...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...7.5N 50.4W
ABOUT 815 MI...1310 KM ESE OF THE WINDWARD ISLANDS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 MPH...55 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 280 DEGREES AT 23 MPH...37 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1008 MB...29.77 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

The government of Barbados has issued a Tropical Storm Warning for
Barbados, St. Vincent, and the Grenadines.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
* Barbados
* St. Vincent and the Grenadines

A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are
expected somewhere within the warning area within 36 hours.

For storm information specific to your area, please monitor
products issued by your national meteorological service.


DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
------------------------------
At 500 PM AST (2100 UTC), the disturbance was centered near latitude
7.5 North, longitude 50.4 West. The system is moving toward the
west near 23 mph (37 km/h). A fast motion toward the west-
northwest is expected to continue for the next 48 hours. On the
forecast track, the disturbance is expected to move through the
Windward Islands Monday night and Tuesday.

Maximum sustained winds are near 35 mph (55 km/h) with higher gusts.
Some strengthening is forecast during the next 48 hours, and the
disturbance is expected to reach tropical storm intensity on Monday
before it reaches the Windward Islands.

Shower and thunderstorm activity associated with the disturbance
has become better organized since yesterday, and some additional
development is possible during the next couple of days before
conditions become less favorable for tropical cyclone formation
over the Caribbean Sea.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...70 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...70 percent

The estimated minimum central pressure is 1008 mb (29.77 inches).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
WIND: Tropical storm conditions are expected to first reach the
warning area overnight Monday and Tuesday morning, making outside
preparations difficult or dangerous.

RAINFALL: The disturbance is expected to produce total rain
accumulations of 2 to 4 inches over the Windward Islands Monday
through Tuesday.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
Next intermediate advisory at 800 PM AST.
Next complete advisory at 1100 PM AST.

$$
Forecaster Brennan
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ATL: Potential Tropical Cyclone TWO - Advisories

#224 Postby RL3AO » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:57 pm

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BULLETIN
Potential Tropical Cyclone Two Advisory Number   1
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL       AL022017
500 PM AST Sun Jun 18 2017

...TROPICAL STORM WARNING ISSUED FOR PORTIONS OF THE WINDWARD
ISLANDS...


SUMMARY OF 500 PM AST...2100 UTC...INFORMATION
----------------------------------------------
LOCATION...7.5N 50.4W
ABOUT 815 MI...1310 KM ESE OF THE WINDWARD ISLANDS
MAXIMUM SUSTAINED WINDS...35 MPH...55 KM/H
PRESENT MOVEMENT...W OR 280 DEGREES AT 23 MPH...37 KM/H
MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE...1008 MB...29.77 INCHES


WATCHES AND WARNINGS
--------------------
CHANGES WITH THIS ADVISORY:

The government of Barbados has issued a Tropical Storm Warning for
Barbados, St. Vincent, and the Grenadines.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT:

A Tropical Storm Warning is in effect for...
* Barbados
* St. Vincent and the Grenadines

A Tropical Storm Warning means that tropical storm conditions are
expected somewhere within the warning area within 36 hours.

For storm information specific to your area, please monitor
products issued by your national meteorological service.


DISCUSSION AND 48-HOUR OUTLOOK
------------------------------
At 500 PM AST (2100 UTC), the disturbance was centered near latitude
7.5 North, longitude 50.4 West.  The system is moving toward the
west near 23 mph (37 km/h).  A fast motion toward the west-
northwest is expected to continue for the next 48 hours.  On the
forecast track, the disturbance is expected to move through the
Windward Islands Monday night and Tuesday.

Maximum sustained winds are near 35 mph (55 km/h) with higher gusts.
Some strengthening is forecast during the next 48 hours, and the
disturbance is expected to reach tropical storm intensity on Monday
before it reaches the Windward Islands.

Shower and thunderstorm activity associated with the disturbance
has become better organized since yesterday, and some additional
development is possible during the next couple of days before
conditions become less favorable for tropical cyclone formation
over the Caribbean Sea.
* Formation chance through 48 hours...high...70 percent
* Formation chance through 5 days...high...70 percent

The estimated minimum central pressure is 1008 mb (29.77 inches).


HAZARDS AFFECTING LAND
----------------------
WIND:  Tropical storm conditions are expected to first reach the
warning area overnight Monday and Tuesday morning, making outside
preparations difficult or dangerous.

RAINFALL:  The disturbance is expected to produce total rain
accumulations of 2 to 4 inches over the Windward Islands Monday
through Tuesday.


NEXT ADVISORY
-------------
Next intermediate advisory at 800 PM AST.
Next complete advisory at 1100 PM AST.

$$
Forecaster Brennan

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POTENTIAL TROPICAL CYCLONE TWO FORECAST/ADVISORY NUMBER   1
NWS NATIONAL HURRICANE CENTER MIAMI FL       AL022017
2100 UTC SUN JUN 18 2017

CHANGES IN WATCHES AND WARNINGS WITH THIS ADVISORY...

THE GOVERNMENT OF BARBADOS HAS ISSUED A TROPICAL STORM WARNING FOR
BARBADOS...ST. VINCENT...AND THE GRENADINES.

SUMMARY OF WATCHES AND WARNINGS IN EFFECT...

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING IS IN EFFECT FOR...
* BARBADOS
* ST. VINCENT AND THE GRENADINES

A TROPICAL STORM WARNING MEANS THAT TROPICAL STORM CONDITIONS ARE
EXPECTED SOMEWHERE WITHIN THE WARNING AREA WITHIN 36 HOURS.

POTENTIAL TROP CYCLONE CENTER LOCATED NEAR  7.5N  50.4W AT 18/2100Z
POSITION ACCURATE WITHIN  40 NM

PRESENT MOVEMENT TOWARD THE WEST OR 280 DEGREES AT  20 KT

ESTIMATED MINIMUM CENTRAL PRESSURE 1008 MB
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS  30 KT WITH GUSTS TO  40 KT.
WINDS AND SEAS VARY GREATLY IN EACH QUADRANT.  RADII IN NAUTICAL
MILES ARE THE LARGEST RADII EXPECTED ANYWHERE IN THAT QUADRANT.

REPEAT...CENTER LOCATED NEAR  7.5N  50.4W AT 18/2100Z
AT 18/1800Z CENTER WAS LOCATED NEAR  7.3N  49.4W

FORECAST VALID 19/0600Z  8.2N  53.3W
MAX WIND  30 KT...GUSTS  40 KT.

FORECAST VALID 19/1800Z  9.5N  57.0W...TROPICAL CYCLONE
MAX WIND  35 KT...GUSTS  45 KT.
34 KT...60NE   0SE   0SW  60NW.

FORECAST VALID 20/0600Z 10.6N  60.5W
MAX WIND  45 KT...GUSTS  55 KT.
34 KT...80NE   0SE   0SW  80NW.

FORECAST VALID 20/1800Z 11.9N  64.0W
MAX WIND  40 KT...GUSTS  50 KT.
34 KT...80NE   0SE   0SW  80NW.

FORECAST VALID 21/1800Z 13.5N  71.5W...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
MAX WIND  30 KT...GUSTS  40 KT.

EXTENDED OUTLOOK. NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 150 NM
ON DAY 4 AND 200 NM ON DAY 5...AND FOR INTENSITY NEAR 15 KT EACH DAY

OUTLOOK VALID 22/1800Z...DISSIPATED

REQUEST FOR 3 HOURLY SHIP REPORTS WITHIN 300 MILES OF  7.5N  50.4W

NEXT ADVISORY AT 19/0300Z

$$
FORECASTER BRENNAN


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Potential Tropical Cyclone Two Discussion Number   1
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL       AL022017
500 PM AST Sun Jun 18 2017

The disturbance over the deep tropical Atlantic has become better
organized today, although a pair of ASCAT-A and B passes this
morning indicated that the system does not have a closed low-level
circulation, which isn't surprising given the fast translational
speed of the system.  The ASCAT passes showed peak winds of near
30 kt well north of the center, and given that the environment is
expected to be conducive for some additional development before the
shear increases in the eastern Caribbean Sea, strengthening is
forecast, and the disturbance is expected to become a tropical storm
before reaching the Windward Islands in 36 to 48 hours.

The National Hurricane Center now has the option to issue advisories
on disturbances that are not yet tropical cyclones, but which pose
the threat of bringing tropical storm or hurricane conditions to
land areas within 48 hours. Under previous policy this was not
possible. These systems are known as Potential Tropical Cyclones in
advisory products and are numbered from the same list as
depressions. Because of the threat to the Windward Islands,
advisories have been initiated on Potential Tropical Cyclone Two and
the appropriate warnings have been issued by the respective
governments in the Windward Islands. Advisory packages will continue
until the threat of tropical-storm-force winds for land areas
sufficiently diminishes, although if the system becomes a tropical
cyclone, the normal rules for discontinuing advisories would apply.
Users should be aware that forecast uncertainty for disturbances is
generally larger than for tropical cyclones, especially beyond 48-72
hours.

The disturbance will be steered quickly westward to west-
northwestward over the next several days to the south of a mid-level
subtropical ridge over the central Atlantic.  The NHC track
forecast is close to a blend of the latest GFS and ECMWF tracks.
There is a fair bit of across-track spread in the model guidance,
which isn't surprising given the lack of a well-defined center.
However, given that tropical storm conditions are expected to extend
well north of the center, users should not focus on the exact track
of the center, and the track forecast is of lower certainty than
usual.

Most of the intensity guidance shows mostly modest strengthening
during the next 36 hours, with the system moving over SSTs of 27-28C
and the deep-layer shear at 10 kt or less.  The NHC forecast shows
the system peaking at 45 kt, in agreement with the intensity model
consensus.  Quick weakening is expected after that time as southerly
shear increases dramatically while the system moves into the eastern
Caribbean Sea. The system is forecast to become a remnant low by 72
hours and dissipate by day 4.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT  18/2100Z  7.5N  50.4W   30 KT  35 MPH...POTENTIAL TROP CYCLONE
 12H  19/0600Z  8.2N  53.3W   30 KT  35 MPH
 24H  19/1800Z  9.5N  57.0W   35 KT  40 MPH...TROPICAL CYCLONE
 36H  20/0600Z 10.6N  60.5W   45 KT  50 MPH
 48H  20/1800Z 11.9N  64.0W   40 KT  45 MPH
 72H  21/1800Z 13.5N  71.5W   30 KT  35 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
 96H  22/1800Z...DISSIPATED

$$
Forecaster Brennan
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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#225 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jun 18, 2017 3:58 pm

Potential Tropical Cyclone Two Discussion Number 1
NWS National Hurricane Center Miami FL AL022017
500 PM AST Sun Jun 18 2017

The disturbance over the deep tropical Atlantic has become better
organized today, although a pair of ASCAT-A and B passes this
morning indicated that the system does not have a closed low-level
circulation, which isn't surprising given the fast translational
speed of the system. The ASCAT passes showed peak winds of near
30 kt well north of the center, and given that the environment is
expected to be conducive for some additional development before the
shear increases in the eastern Caribbean Sea, strengthening is
forecast, and the disturbance is expected to become a tropical storm
before reaching the Windward Islands in 36 to 48 hours.

The National Hurricane Center now has the option to issue advisories
on disturbances that are not yet tropical cyclones, but which pose
the threat of bringing tropical storm or hurricane conditions to
land areas within 48 hours. Under previous policy this was not
possible. These systems are known as Potential Tropical Cyclones in
advisory products and are numbered from the same list as
depressions. Because of the threat to the Windward Islands,
advisories have been initiated on Potential Tropical Cyclone Two and
the appropriate warnings have been issued by the respective
governments in the Windward Islands. Advisory packages will continue
until the threat of tropical-storm-force winds for land areas
sufficiently diminishes, although if the system becomes a tropical
cyclone, the normal rules for discontinuing advisories would apply.
Users should be aware that forecast uncertainty for disturbances is
generally larger than for tropical cyclones, especially beyond 48-72
hours.

The disturbance will be steered quickly westward to west-
northwestward over the next several days to the south of a mid-level
subtropical ridge over the central Atlantic. The NHC track
forecast is close to a blend of the latest GFS and ECMWF tracks.
There is a fair bit of across-track spread in the model guidance,
which isn't surprising given the lack of a well-defined center.
However, given that tropical storm conditions are expected to extend
well north of the center, users should not focus on the exact track
of the center, and the track forecast is of lower certainty than
usual.

Most of the intensity guidance shows mostly modest strengthening
during the next 36 hours, with the system moving over SSTs of 27-28C
and the deep-layer shear at 10 kt or less. The NHC forecast shows
the system peaking at 45 kt, in agreement with the intensity model
consensus. Quick weakening is expected after that time as southerly
shear increases dramatically while the system moves into the eastern
Caribbean Sea. The system is forecast to become a remnant low by 72
hours and dissipate by day 4.

FORECAST POSITIONS AND MAX WINDS

INIT 18/2100Z 7.5N 50.4W 30 KT 35 MPH...POTENTIAL TROP CYCLONE
12H 19/0600Z 8.2N 53.3W 30 KT 35 MPH
24H 19/1800Z 9.5N 57.0W 35 KT 40 MPH...TROPICAL CYCLONE
36H 20/0600Z 10.6N 60.5W 45 KT 50 MPH
48H 20/1800Z 11.9N 64.0W 40 KT 45 MPH
72H 21/1800Z 13.5N 71.5W 30 KT 35 MPH...POST-TROP/REMNT LOW
96H 22/1800Z...DISSIPATED

$$
Forecaster Brennan
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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#226 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:01 pm

:uarrow: That's cool! Nice that we now will be able to get a 24hr. head notice on a soon-to-be TC. Looks like they are also going with a peak of 45kts/50mph.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#227 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:05 pm

5-Day Forecast Track on Potential Tropical Cyclone #2.

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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#228 Postby RL3AO » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:06 pm

Worth noting the center line goes over Trinidad and Tobago. However, like most weak tropical storms in the MDR, the strongest winds will be north of the center and therefore no warning at this time for T&T.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#229 Postby fci » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:06 pm

I think the concept of issuing advisories and discussions for "Potential Topical Cyclones" is great.
We were often frustrated that watches and warnings were delayed since there wasn't an official designation especially in situations like this where they appear imminent.
Excellent change!!!
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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#230 Postby tatertawt24 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:10 pm

If it organizes in time, would that technically be considered a landfall/direct hit for Trinidad? Pretty cool!
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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#231 Postby Hammy » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:11 pm

So if this doesn't become a tropical cyclone, would the next system be TD3? And does anybody know if we'll have post-storm reports on them?
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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#232 Postby RL3AO » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:12 pm

Hammy wrote:So if this doesn't become a tropical cyclone, would the next system be TD3? And does anybody know if we'll have post-storm reports on them?

Yes, the next system would be TD3 no matter what. I'm not sure if there will be reports on PTCs that don't develop.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#233 Postby Iune » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:13 pm

Hammy wrote:So if this doesn't become a tropical cyclone, would the next system be TD3? And does anybody know if we'll have post-storm reports on them?

From what I recall, the next storm will be TD3 regardless of what happens with this storm.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#234 Postby hurricanes1234 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:18 pm

tatertawt24 wrote:If it organizes in time, would that technically be considered a landfall/direct hit for Trinidad? Pretty cool!


More like scary! :eek: :eek:

We down here are so unaccustomed to storm systems that it's difficult to ascertain what exactly could happen. Unfortunately, many areas flood easily with just regular inclement weather, let alone a named system. I'll be watching this closer than ever now.
:eek:
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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#235 Postby CrazyC83 » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:20 pm

This is similar to a Zone of Disturbed Weather in the SWIO.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#236 Postby Siker » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:22 pm

Banding continues to become more evident in both the southwest and northeast quadrants as the sun sets.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#237 Postby RL3AO » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:26 pm

Hammy wrote:So if this doesn't become a tropical cyclone, would the next system be TD3? And does anybody know if we'll have post-storm reports on them?


I asked for you. :D
 https://twitter.com/EricBlake12/status/876550561847554049


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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#238 Postby TheStormExpert » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:29 pm

RL3AO wrote:
Hammy wrote:So if this doesn't become a tropical cyclone, would the next system be TD3? And does anybody know if we'll have post-storm reports on them?

Yes, the next system would be TD3 no matter what. I'm not sure if there will be reports on PTCs that don't develop.

Why would it be TD3? This isn't an official TD.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#239 Postby RL3AO » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:33 pm

TheStormExpert wrote:
RL3AO wrote:
Hammy wrote:So if this doesn't become a tropical cyclone, would the next system be TD3? And does anybody know if we'll have post-storm reports on them?

Yes, the next system would be TD3 no matter what. I'm not sure if there will be reports on PTCs that don't develop.

Why would it be TD3? This isn't an official TD.


This is now system 02L for the 2017 season. Advisories have been issued with a header of TCxAT2. The next system will be 03L with a header of TCxAT3, no matter what happens with this system.
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Re: ATL: TWO - Potential Tropical Cyclone - Discussion

#240 Postby cycloneye » Sun Jun 18, 2017 4:41 pm

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