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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1021 Postby JDawg512 » Sat May 13, 2017 11:04 am

I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on this season's persistent strong cap, given that it plays a big role in whether we get storms or not.
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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1022 Postby weatherdude1108 » Sat May 13, 2017 3:43 pm

Regarding the cap, I think it tends to be stronger down here most of the time due to our proximity to Mexico. The mid-level flow from the southwest most times contains relatively warm, dry air from the plateaus of Mexico (except during El Niños). As these winds descend off the plateaus of Mexico in our direction and if they reach the surface, they dry further through compressional warming, which squashes any convective initiation in the cloud tops that get going. Seems like the winds in the upper levels have not been in our favor for good rains over the past month and a half. I don't know exactly why (?).
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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1023 Postby Ntxw » Sat May 13, 2017 5:50 pm

weatherdude1108 wrote:Regarding the cap, I think it tends to be stronger down here most of the time due to our proximity to Mexico. The mid-level flow from the southwest most times contains relatively warm, dry air from the plateaus of Mexico (except during El Niños). As these winds descend off the plateaus of Mexico in our direction and if they reach the surface, they dry further through compressional warming, which squashes any convective initiation in the cloud tops that get going. Seems like the winds in the upper levels have not been in our favor for good rains over the past month and a half. I don't know exactly why (?).


You are correct, instead of thinking it as the cap is stronger rather be in mindset the cap is a consistent existence. Some years we erode it easier with stronger shortwaves moving further south, or a strong subtropical jet to overwhelm it. As weatherdude mentioned most often the two coincides with El Nino type patterns. So far this spring much of the energy has been too far north or cuts up west, with little or no STJ help
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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1024 Postby dhweather » Sun May 14, 2017 9:34 am

JDawg512 wrote:I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on this season's persistent strong cap, given that it plays a big role in whether we get storms or not.


The cap is your best friend or worst enemy. If you love severe weather, you really need the cap. If you would just like regular rainfall without severe weather, the cap is your enemy.

I'm hoping that this is not a precursor to another 2011 type Summer.
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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1025 Postby TheProfessor » Sun May 14, 2017 12:25 pm

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JDawg512 wrote:I'd like to hear everyone's opinion on this season's persistent strong cap, given that it plays a big role in whether we get storms or not.


The cap is your best friend or worst enemy. If you love severe weather, you really need the cap. If you would just like regular rainfall without severe weather, the cap is your enemy.

I'm hoping that this is not a precursor to another 2011 type Summer.


I wouldn't say you necessarily say you need the Cap, especially further east during outbreaks where it's more about timing, mode, movement and placement. Yes a strong cap can help raise parameters, but it also needs strong forcing to be broken through. This can cause a delay in storms, preventing Supercells from forming and the mode being more linear along a frontal system instead. A weak capping inversion is typically best. Although it might not have an influence on parameters, but in strong storm systems with ample moisture there doesn't need to be. The weaker capping allows for storms to form on other weaker boundaries like outflow boundaries, which can also enhance storms.
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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1026 Postby TheProfessor » Sun May 14, 2017 12:31 pm

The Skew-T for Thursday Evening in North Texas on the 12z GFS would be an epic one if the winds were better.
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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1027 Postby Cpv17 » Sun May 14, 2017 2:38 pm

I would like to know what the CPC is seeing in regards to rain for SE TX because the GFS is saying hardly any rain at all over here.
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#1028 Postby South Texas Storms » Sun May 14, 2017 3:50 pm

Cpv17 wrote:I would like to know what the CPC is seeing in regards to rain for SE TX because the GFS is saying hardly any rain at all over here.


CPC must be going with the Euro and Canadian because those models are much wetter across SE TX than the GFS.
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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1029 Postby bubba hotep » Sun May 14, 2017 4:20 pm

TheProfessor wrote:The Skew-T for Thursday Evening in North Texas on the 12z GFS would be an epic one if the winds were better.


Thursday does look like a day to keep an eye on, maybe the day with the highest potential risk for N. Texas over the next week but the threat does linger into the weekend:

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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1030 Postby bubba hotep » Sun May 14, 2017 4:25 pm

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Cpv17 wrote:I would like to know what the CPC is seeing in regards to rain for SE TX because the GFS is saying hardly any rain at all over here.


CPC must be going with the Euro and Canadian because those models are much wetter across SE TX than the GFS.


WPC has also shifted the heavier totals southward, more in line with the EURO.

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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1031 Postby bubba hotep » Sun May 14, 2017 10:00 pm

Looking more and more like Thursday could be a big day across the Southern Plains. The Euro EPS has a mean CAPE of 2,400 at DFW for 00z, that is pretty big for the mean at that range. The EPS 500mb mean at 12z on Thursday from the 12z run today:

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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1032 Postby TheProfessor » Sun May 14, 2017 10:27 pm

bubba hotep wrote:Looking more and more like Thursday could be a big day across the Southern Plains. The Euro EPS has a mean CAPE of 2,400 at DFW for 00z, that is pretty big for the mean at that range. The EPS 500mb mean at 12z on Thursday from the 12z run today:

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I'd like to see that trough a bit more negative tilted, It would allow for better Severe weather potential as well as rain potential.
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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1033 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Sun May 14, 2017 10:46 pm

bubba hotep wrote:
Ntxw wrote:A little off topic but not to be forgotten. The Solar Minimum is approaching.

"SUNSPOT COUNTS ARE PLUMMETING: Today marks the 33rd day in 2017 that the sun has been blank--no sunspots. This exceeds the total number of spotless days in all of 2016 (32). The accelerating pace of spotlessness is a sign that Solar Minimum is approaching. Forecasters expect the sunspot cycle, which swings like a pendulum between high and low sunspot number every ~11 years, to reach its nadir in 2019-2020. Stay tuned for more blank suns. "


http://spaceweather.com/

The last Solar Minimum bottomed out during 2009-2010 period :D


QBO also reversed during the summer of '09. Just saying


I like it. Is there any kind of "lag" that we should expect from sunspots? Almost like the super nino effects we have seen? (if the super nino effected things for a long time.)

Lack of sunspots was a big deal in back with the little ice age or the Maunder minimum.
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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1034 Postby Ntxw » Mon May 15, 2017 9:42 am

NWS Fort Worth might want to consider flash flood watches for central and northern parts of the forecast area Friday into Sat morning. Looks like a real May heavy rain event in store. Central and SE Tx timing is more Saturday.
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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1035 Postby srainhoutx » Mon May 15, 2017 9:49 am

Monday morning briefing from Jeff:

After several weeks of generally nice weather…the upper air pattern will undergo changes that will allow a return of thunderstorms across the southern plains this week into next week.

Upper level blocking with high pressure over the southern plains the last week is shifting eastward allowing the semi-stationary upper level trough over the SW US to edge closer to the southern plains. The initial trough will eject into the plains on Wednesday, but a secondary trough will quickly dig back into the SW US late this week and very slowly move into the plains this weekend into early next week. Locally onshore winds have already returned to the region allowing a slow but steady increase in Gulf moisture. Air mass will slowly moisten over the next 48 hours before a surge of deeper moisture arrives on Wednesday. Will raise rain chances to 40% for Wednesday as this deeper moisture arrives and SE TX may get skirted by the tail end of lift from the ejecting SW US trough. Main dynamics with this system are aimed more toward the central plains. This week will provide near daily chances of severe weather including tornadoes across the plains.

Secondary trough digs into the SW US Thursday and Friday and this will position a SW flow aloft across the region. Weak disturbances in this flow aloft combined with the W TX dryline may result in complexes of thunderstorms developing to our west each afternoon and moving eastward during the overnight hours. Big questions at this time range are do any of these complexes make it as far east as SE TX or do their outflow arrive into the region during peak heating. Given a moist and generally unstable air mass in place from Wednesday onward will have to keep an eye on such potential.

Sub-tropical ridge aloft will shift a bit eastward this weekend and this will allow a very slow motion of the SW US trough eastward. A surface cold front will move into the state from the NW helping to act as a trigger for deep convection. Upper air parameters may become more favorable also for thunderstorm formation along with continued ejecting short wave disturbances out of the mean trough to our west. Timing of this all remains in question, but models are starting to key in on Saturday as the first day for potential widespread thunderstorms. Also starting to see a heavy rainfall signal in the models with QPF maxes of 3-5 inches over the weekend likely from some sort of slow moving thunderstorm complex (something to watch very closely).

Very slow movement of the upper trough will continue to favor rounds of thunderstorms into early next week allowing rainfall totals to pile up. Each rough will likely pose some risk of severe weather given it is mid May and instability is generally decent this time of year. QPF amounts are highest across central TX into OK this week and enough rain may fall, even though grounds are generally dry, to activate run-off and rises on upstream rivers and creeks. Heavy rainfall signal drifts deeper into SE TX this weekend into early next week.
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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1036 Postby bubba hotep » Mon May 15, 2017 11:23 am

Ntxw wrote:NWS Fort Worth might want to consider flash flood watches for central and northern parts of the forecast area Friday into Sat morning. Looks like a real May heavy rain event in store. Central and SE Tx timing is more Saturday.


It will be interesting to see what they do. It looks like 6hr flash flood guidance for most of the DFW area is 5"+, so it would take an impressive individual setup or multiple rounds of heavy rain. The 12z GFS does show multiple rounds of storms with areas east of I35 picking up 4-5" over a couple of days.
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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1037 Postby TheProfessor » Mon May 15, 2017 11:58 am

Looking at the Skew-ts for Friday on the 6z GFS and calculating a rough estimate for K-index it would seem on Friday the atmosphere would definitely support heavy rain with values between 30 and 40. However, KI has some flaws and isn't always the best to use, but in this case I think it's fine.
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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1038 Postby Yukon Cornelius » Mon May 15, 2017 2:57 pm

Too dang hot. 92 currently with a warm south wind. Hopefully this possible rain will help cool it off a little. Can we just skip summer and early fall?
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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1039 Postby bubba hotep » Mon May 15, 2017 3:07 pm

Don't look now, but the last couple of Euro runs have drastically cut back the rain for DFW. The 12z has less than an inch for most of the area and has the biggest totals out to the west. This is after showing a major rain event for days on end. It seems like anytime the Euro has shown snow or big rain for DFW in the 5 -10 period over the past year it has almost always been a swing an miss. Looks like it is happening again. Of course, the GFS has flipped and now has big totals for DFW, esp. east of I35 :roll:
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Re: Texas Spring 2017

#1040 Postby Brent » Mon May 15, 2017 4:03 pm

bubba hotep wrote:Don't look now, but the last couple of Euro runs have drastically cut back the rain for DFW. The 12z has less than an inch for most of the area and has the biggest totals out to the west. This is after showing a major rain event for days on end. It seems like anytime the Euro has shown snow or big rain for DFW in the 5 -10 period over the past year it has almost always been a swing an miss. Looks like it is happening again. Of course, the GFS has flipped and now has big totals for DFW, esp. east of I35 :roll:


These models I just can't sometimes... all that consistency then poof
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