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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#821 Postby Texas Snowman » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:35 pm

Ntxw wrote:6z GFS starts running in about an hour, any bets? Southeast or southwest ridge? Alaskan or NW Canada ridge? Over under starts at 30F (+/- 25 degrees)


Or how about an over/under on how many comparisons are made to December 1983? :lol:

Or December 2015? :eek:
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#822 Postby Ntxw » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:40 pm

2:30pm and DFW is still sitting at 34F with a north wind still blowing 15-20mph. Dew points have dropped into the mid teens

One year ago starting today DFW was in the 70s for 8 days straight. All averaging 10-26F above normal.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#823 Postby Golf7070 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:47 pm

Ntxw,didnt u mean 18zgfs? Im hoping we can cash in on a winter event sooner or later
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#824 Postby Tireman4 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:53 pm

Ntxw wrote:2:30pm and DFW is still sitting at 34F with a north wind still blowing 15-20mph. Dew points have dropped into the mid teens

One year ago starting today DFW was in the 70s for 8 days straight. All averaging 10-26F above normal.



Nice and warm here....Overcast and Breezy
47°F
8°C
Humidity 63%
Wind Speed N 24 mph
Barometer 30.39 in (1029.1 mb)
Dewpoint 35°F (2°C)
Visibility 10.00 mi
Wind Chill 39°F (4°C)
Last update 8 Dec 1:53 pm CST
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#825 Postby Golf7070 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:57 pm

Also, do the euro ensembles support the op run with stalling the front out? If so, then i would imagine the gfs will trend warm soon. Hoping not
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#826 Postby Brent » Thu Dec 08, 2016 3:57 pm

we finally broke freezing here per weatherbug... woo...

I'm hoping the GFS doesn't trend warmer and the Euro catches up at 0z. This pattern is so ripe for more cold and I'd hate to waste it. But I don't like the Euro being so warm either.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#827 Postby Ntxw » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:00 pm

Brent wrote:we finally broke freezing here per weatherbug... woo...

I'm hoping the GFS doesn't trend warmer and the Euro catches up at 0z. This pattern is so ripe for more cold and I'd hate to waste it.


As much as I want to see big cold finally, I really want to see a winter storm set up...all that cold but if it's wasted dry then it's just novelty. I'd love for the southwest trough to dig, we're already plenty cold ahead of it.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#828 Postby Brent » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:01 pm

Ntxw wrote:
Brent wrote:we finally broke freezing here per weatherbug... woo...

I'm hoping the GFS doesn't trend warmer and the Euro catches up at 0z. This pattern is so ripe for more cold and I'd hate to waste it.


As much as I want to see big cold finally, I really want to see a winter storm set up...all that cold but if it's wasted dry then it's just novelty. I'd love for the southwest trough to dig, we're already plenty cold ahead of it.


Well yeah... I think we all want the winter storm. I was saying weeks ago get the cold first then worry about a winter storm, so now it's time for the next step lol

In a perfect world the real 1983 type cold would be with a snow cover...
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#829 Postby CaptinCrunch » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:06 pm

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Fort Worth TX
237 PM CST Thu Dec 8 2016


.DISCUSSION...
Strong surface high pressure, on the order of 1044 mb, will
settle into the Central and Southern Plains tonight behind a
departing shortwave trough. This will result in clearing skies,
drier air and decreasing wind speeds, all of which will promote
efficient radiational cooling. Overnight lows will range from
about 19 in the northwest to the middle 20s across the Metroplex
and the southern zones. The only thing that could potentially keep
temperatures from reaching these values is if the mid cloud deck
is slower in scattering out.

Friday will be a much warmer day even though the morning will
start out very cold. We expect afternoon highs to warm into the
40s under a mostly sunny sky and a light wind.

Progressive zonal flow will prevail through the weekend which will
result in the development of a surface lee trough across the High
Plains and the return of Gulf moisture. The low level warm air
advection pattern will bring near normal temperatures back to the
region with lows in the 40S and highs in the 50s and 60s Saturday
and Sunday. Some warm air advection showers will be possible
Saturday night ahead of a shortwave. The shortwave will move
across North and Central Texas on Sunday and bring a slightly
better chance of showers, especially east of the Interstate 35
corridor where low level moisture will be most abundant.
Instability should be insufficient for any thunder.

The passage of the shortwave trough axis Sunday night will allow
a weak cold front to move into the region. The air behind the
front will be a bit cooler and drier but nothing like the arctic
intrusion that we are currently experiencing.

The upper air pattern will become more amplified next week with a
long wave trough progged to develop across the northern half of
the CONUS with another arctic front expected to infiltrate the
Plains. There are some differences among the extended models with
regards to how deep the trough will become, when the cold front
will arrive in North Texas and if any precipitation will accompany
it. Therefore, we will keep the forecast dry Monday through
Thursday with temperatures near seasonal normals Monday and
Tuesday and below normal Wednesday and Thursday.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#830 Postby Meteorcane » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:08 pm

Are any of those echoes (which would likely be snow) reaching the ground south of the DFW area?
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#831 Postby weatherdude1108 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:09 pm

Nothing new here, but it's officially official. I have a sprinkler system, but it has gotten down to 16 since I have lived here, and nothing happened. Not sure how to drain it anyway. I can just turn it on and make my own Winter wonderland overnight :wink: We did that as kids with the hose when it got down in the low 20s/teens. Let it run all night, then saw a huge broken tree branch on the back patio that snapped from the weight of the accumulating freezing mist on the limbs from the nozzle. Mom and dad weren't too happy.


URGENT - WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE AUSTIN/SAN ANTONIO TX
235 PM CST THU DEC 8 2016

TXZ173-191>194-204>208-221-223-090500-
/O.CAN.KEWX.WI.Y.0004.000000T0000Z-161208T2200Z/
/O.NEW.KEWX.FZ.W.0003.161209T0600Z-161209T1500Z/
WILLIAMSON-HAYS-TRAVIS-BASTROP-LEE-MEDINA-BEXAR-COMAL-GUADALUPE-
CALDWELL-WILSON-GONZALES-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF...GEORGETOWN...SAN MARCOS...AUSTIN...
BASTROP...GIDDINGS...HONDO...SAN ANTONIO...NEW BRAUNFELS...
SEGUIN...LOCKHART...FLORESVILLE...GONZALES
235 PM CST THU DEC 8 2016

...FREEZE WARNING IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 9 AM CST
FRIDAY...
...WIND ADVISORY IS CANCELLED...

THE NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE IN AUSTIN/SAN ANTONIO HAS ISSUED A
FREEZE WARNING...WHICH IS IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT TO 9 AM
CST FRIDAY. THE WIND ADVISORY HAS BEEN CANCELLED.

* TEMPERATURE...LOW TEMPERATURES FRIDAY MORNING IN THE MID 20S
ACROSS THE HILL COUNTRY AND IN THE UPPER 20S TO LOW 30S
ELSEWHERE.

* IMPACTS...FREEZING TEMPERATURES MAY RESULT IN DAMAGE TO TENDER
VEGETATION AND SENSITIVE PLANTS AND THESE PLANTS SHOULD BE
PROTECTED. THOSE WITH COLD-SENSITIVE ANIMALS...OR OTHER CONCERNS
RELATED TO FREEZING TEMPERATURES SUCH AS SPRINKLER SYSTEMS
...
SHOULD PREPARE NOW FOR THIS FREEZE.

&&

PRECAUTIONARY/PREPAREDNESS ACTIONS...

A FREEZE WARNING MEANS SUB-FREEZING TEMPERATURES ARE IMMINENT OR
HIGHLY LIKELY. THESE CONDITIONS WILL KILL CROPS AND OTHER
SENSITIVE VEGETATION.

&&

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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#832 Postby weatherdude1108 » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:15 pm

000
FXUS64 KEWX 082035
AFDEWX

Area Forecast Discussion
National Weather Service Austin/San Antonio TX
235 PM CST Thu Dec 8 2016

.SHORT TERM (Tonight through Friday Night)...
Wind gusts are gradually decreasing this afternoon with almost all
locations below Wind Advisory criteria. Therefore we have cancelled
the Wind Advisory. Still breezy conditions through the remainder
of the afternoon and evening producing wind chill values in the
mid 20s to low 30s. Some isentropic ascent developing is also
producing some patchy light rain across the far southeast counties
and this will continue into the early evening before shifting
east. Some patchy light sleet was also reported earlier this
afernoon across Kerr Country. Can not rule out some light sleet
reaching the ground through the remainder of the afternoon across
locations farther east in the northern Hill Country, but no
impacts are expected.

Cold tonight with a freeze currently expected near and north of a
Del Rio to San Antonio to Halletsville line. Winds do not
completely diminish overnight and with cloud cover present
overnight low temperatures and freeze potential across southern
CWA is less certain. Currently lows in the mid 20s are forecast
across the Hill Country and upper 20s to low 30s elsewhere near
and north of the above mentioned line. A Freeze Warning has been
issued for those counties that have not had their first freeze of
the season.

Clearing and less wind tomorrow but still cool. Highs in the mid
to upper 40s are forecast. Isentropic ascent develops late Friday
night with clouds returning from south to north. This should
prevent a freeze from occuring Friday morning across the southern
CWA, but areas across the Hill Country and portions of Central
Texas could see another freeze.

&&

.LONG TERM (Saturday through Thursday)...
The return flow and upglide increases during the day on Saturday
and Saturday night. Patchy light rain or drizzle is possible
along the I-35 corridor Saturday with a slight chance for showers
developing near and east of I-35 Saturday night and Sunday. High
temperatures modify Sunday back into the 60s. A cold front will
move into the area on Monday, with the ECMWF weakest and washing
the front out over the area while the GFS is slightly stronger.
The front does not look to have much impact on temperatures with
highs Monday and Tuesday into upper 60s to low 70s.

Models diverge significantly Wednesday into Thursday, with the
GFS stronger with another front while the ECMWF keeps the front
north of the area. Currently a 20 plus degree spread in Wednesday
and Thursday high temperatures exists between the GFS and ECMWF
MOS.
Have sided closer toward the cooler GFS at this time.

&&
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#833 Postby PineyWoods » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:17 pm

Meteorcane wrote:Are any of those echoes (which would likely be snow) reaching the ground south of the DFW area?

I'm not sure about south of DFW but east of DFW, here in Tyler we've had those echos on radar over us all day and I haven't seen anything falling. I suspect it is drying up above us.
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#834 Postby CaptinCrunch » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:23 pm

Meteorcane wrote:Are any of those echoes (which would likely be snow) reaching the ground south of the DFW area?


I'm in DT FTW and nothing is falling but the leaves....lol
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#835 Postby Ntxw » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:25 pm

PineyWoods wrote:
Meteorcane wrote:Are any of those echoes (which would likely be snow) reaching the ground south of the DFW area?

I'm not sure about south of DFW but east of DFW, here in Tyler we've had those echos on radar over us all day and I haven't seen anything falling. I suspect it is drying up above us.


Very dry air with low dewpoints. Likely not making it to the ground, Virga
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#836 Postby gpsnowman » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:27 pm

No snow in east Fort Worth or Frisco, but damn, this air feels good. Refreshing and easy to breathe. :cold:
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#837 Postby davidiowx » Thu Dec 08, 2016 4:41 pm

Dew point has dropped from 43 to 34 here in about 3 hours. :cold:
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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#838 Postby Ntxw » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:01 pm

After a poor showing in November, US snow cover has recovered quite a bit to near normal. There is still a lot more to work on but this will definitely play a role. It's growing most where we need it to be, in the high plains. Past several years it's been centered in eastern Canada and the northeastern US which does us no good really.

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Re: Texas Winter 2016-2017

#839 Postby gpsnowman » Thu Dec 08, 2016 5:05 pm

I see some clearing skies northwest of here, just in time for sunset. How low will we go!!! The high today never reached the upper 30's as forecasted. Ok, if the pesky cloud deck completely disappears I will guess a low of 22 at DFW. Just a guess and not a forecast. :wink: We got our first freeze and a high in the 30's on the same day. Let's see how low we can beat last winter's 27 degrees.
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