ATL: MATTHEW - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3021 Postby GCANE » Sat Oct 01, 2016 7:57 pm

ozonepete wrote:Aside from all of the track guessing going on, I see some are speculating that it could get back to cat 5 tomorrow before reaching Haiti and Jamaica. Unfortunately it's not out of the question. On this IR satellite image from 5:45PM EDT I circled that large area of convection to the east of Matthew's main circulation. It has been around for a couple of days now and appears to be reaching a maximum. Though it's hard to discern exactly why it formed or why it has persisted so long, at this point it seems likely that it is now taking some energy away from Matthew that could be used to maintain or increase his strength. My only guess is that it has something to do with the shape and topography of the northern S.A. coast, but regardless one would think if it weren't there Matthew would gain a really symmetric circular shape and thus re-intensify. If Matthew does indeed start moving NNW soon and further away from the S.A. coast that area of convection will either die out and/or merge with the main circulation and allow Matthew to regain a very symmetric flow and probably intensify. The other obvious factor is that if Matthew doesn't start moving soon there will be upwelling of cooler water under it that will aid in weakening.

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I remember many years ago there was a TC off Florida with a similar persistant cell. Don't ask me the name or year. The thing that stands out in my memory was that the cell spawned numerious tornados in and around Jacksonville. Obviously, there was a lot of helicity associated with it.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3022 Postby ronjon » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:01 pm

Two of five ECM ensemble runs that match the 12z operational run the first 72 hrs take MATT across S Fl and up the west coast. Don't think Florida's quite out of the woods yet.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3023 Postby Hurrilurker » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:02 pm

JtSmarts wrote:That Levi video GOLD! Did an excellent job of explaining all the different players on the field and why this situation is so complex.

Yeah it was really well done, NHC/NOAA should hire this guy and put his videos on the main page.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3024 Postby psyclone » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:02 pm

MetroMike wrote:My local chief TV Met in Tampa said we can write this storm off for the West coast of FL. Was that an irresponsible statement given the uncertainty in the long range?

No.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3025 Postby Alyono » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:05 pm

The satellite data itself is not being received. I am not receiving anything in GARP or NMAP aside from useless GOES-W full disk images every 3 hours
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3026 Postby Evil Jeremy » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:06 pm

Fantastic time to lose visuals. Motion over the next couple hours is critical.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3027 Postby GCANE » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:07 pm

Finally got our popups across Cuba, Yucutan, Belize, and Nicaragua.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/watl/wv-animated.gif

That is what took the bite out of the bottom of the trough and the forecasted pull on Matthew.
As I expected, the models did not take this into account and the reason they did not anticipate the stall.
Hard to tell what's go to happen next, especially since Matthew lost its forward momentum and in the middle of an EWRC.
More likely it'll move north as the mid-level air dries out in the west Carib overnight.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3028 Postby AutoPenalti » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:08 pm

psyclone wrote:
MetroMike wrote:My local chief TV Met in Tampa said we can write this storm off for the West coast of FL. Was that an irresponsible statement given the uncertainty in the long range?

No.

If he said east coast I would certainly disagree with him.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3029 Postby ozonepete » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:08 pm

tolakram wrote:
Hammy wrote:Satellite's been out for two hours based on time stamps--did it fail? :eek:


This happened a month ago, it ended up being an issue at one of the receivers or the program that translates the data into images. Probably something similar.


Still, must admit this is a REALLY inconvenient time for this. I sure hope it's very temporary.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3030 Postby chris_fit » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:09 pm

Any other Satellites out there? I hear talk of GOES-13? Cant seem to find a URL to view images, is it running or they working on it? Not sure how that stuff works.

The turn is supposed to be happening right now. We lost a recon mission and we lost the sats. Are models still being fed data? Do they even use Satellites?
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3031 Postby ronjon » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:09 pm

psyclone wrote:
MetroMike wrote:My local chief TV Met in Tampa said we can write this storm off for the West coast of FL. Was that an irresponsible statement given the uncertainty in the long range?

No.


Chances are low but not zero. If it did, he might have a hard time finding another job in the state though. :lol:
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3032 Postby ozonepete » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:10 pm

Alyono wrote:The satellite data itself is not being received. I am not receiving anything in GARP or NMAP aside from useless GOES-W full disk images every 3 hours


Ugh. Still can just be a data transmission issue somewhere in the pipeline. Let's hope!
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3033 Postby Cunxi Huang » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:11 pm

ozonepete wrote:
tolakram wrote:
Hammy wrote:Satellite's been out for two hours based on time stamps--did it fail? :eek:


This happened a month ago, it ended up being an issue at one of the receivers or the program that translates the data into images. Probably something similar.


Still, must admit this is a REALLY inconvenient time for this. I sure hope it's very temporary.

thay may should start using GOES-14
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3034 Postby CrazyC83 » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:15 pm

Is there still radar data available? Or is it out of range for that?
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3035 Postby ozonepete » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:15 pm

Cunxi Huang wrote:
ozonepete wrote:
tolakram wrote:
This happened a month ago, it ended up being an issue at one of the receivers or the program that translates the data into images. Probably something similar.


Still, must admit this is a REALLY inconvenient time for this. I sure hope it's very temporary.

thay may should start using GOES-14


I'm not sure it's still useable. I also believe that even if it is, it would take days to activate. :(
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3036 Postby Chris_in_Tampa » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:15 pm

*Topic:*GOES-13 (GOES-East) Data Outage

*Date/Time**Issued:*October 2, 2016 0035Z

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*Date/Time of Expected End:*TBD

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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3037 Postby ozonepete » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:16 pm

:uarrow: UGH! The timing is hard to believe. I'm getting nervous.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3038 Postby Blown Away » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:17 pm

Wonder if no satellite throws off the programming for future model runs??
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3039 Postby cycloneye » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:17 pm

A big dilemma for NHC to do the 11 PM advisory without recon nor satellite.
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Re: ATL: MATTHEW - Hurricane - Discussion

#3040 Postby tolakram » Sat Oct 01, 2016 8:18 pm

So the details are a little different from what I read above.

Subject: Product Outage/Anomaly: GOES-13 (GOES-East) Data Outage
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*Topic:*GOES-13 (GOES-East) Data Outage

*Date/Time**Issued:*October 2, 2016 0035Z

*Product(s) or Data Impacted: ***GOES-13 (GOES-East) Imager Data and
Products

*Date/Time of Initial Impact:*October 1, 2016 2315Z **

*Date/Time of Expected End:*TBD

*Length of Outage: *TBD

*Details/Specifics of Change:*GOES-13 (GOES-East) is currently
experiencing an anomaly that prevents all data from being received at
ESPC. Engineers have been notified.


No determination of outage length, but last time it was only a few hours.

The other message was issues far earlier and is not related ... unless this is what broke it. :D This would add an extra frame to the more rapid scan modes of GOES 13 and cut out some of the southern hemisphere scans which usually result in a longer space between some of the scans. You can see these scans when looking at the GOES FTP site. ftp://goes.gsfc.nasa.gov/pub/goeseast/overview2/vis/

*Topic: *GOES-13 (GOES-East) Standard CONUS RSO

*Date/Time**Issued:* October 01, 2016 1305Z

*Product(s) or Data Impacted: *GOES-13 (GOES-East) Imager Data and
Products**

*Date/Time of Initial Impact:* October 01, 2016 1414Z******

*Date/Time of Expected End:*October 03, 2016 1414Z ****

*Length of Event:*48hours*
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*Details/Specifics of Change:**
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