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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#241 Postby euro6208 » Sat Aug 13, 2016 11:51 pm

@1900hurricane.

Why are storms forming so far north this year closer to 20N instead of the usual equator tracks?

Is it Nina? Waters down there are still Super hot...
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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#242 Postby euro6208 » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:12 am

INVEST 95W

South China Sea system up...
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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#243 Postby dexterlabio » Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:12 am

I was expecting that a potent system will form in the WPAC now that the active MJO phase is over the area....but SE Asia and portions of the WestPac have only been dominated by cluttered areas of convection. Maybe the inverse-oriented monsoon trough setup is not good for TC's to develop?
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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#244 Postby 1900hurricane » Sun Aug 14, 2016 9:30 am

It might not be the full picture, but I think the switch to a more La Nina base state certainly has a part to play. Regions below 10*N are generally dominated by trade winds almost as far east as the Philippines, which is displacing monsoon southwesterlies to the north (with a recent ASCAT snapshot demonstrating that below). Reverse-oriented monsoon troughs can and have spit out intense typhoons, but those are usually storms that form near the (south)western end of the trough and end up slowly moving initially and stewing a little bit in the true tropics or a favorable portion of the southern subtropics. With the current setup, systems are moving into the subtropics, which is notably hostile right now, before they can get extremely well organized. The majority of intense Western Pacific systems become their strongest in the true tropics below 20*N, but the current regime is not allowing that portion of the basin to be open to storm intensification.

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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#245 Postby euro6208 » Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:20 pm

96W INVEST

Another system in the monsoon trough that models are developing...
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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#246 Postby euro6208 » Sun Aug 14, 2016 7:27 pm

EURO still has 3-6 more TC's developing...

GFS...8 more... :lol:
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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#247 Postby euro6208 » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:02 pm

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http://www.weather.gov.hk/blog/en/archives/00000199.htm

Quite an interesting article i found...JTWC leading all asian agencies...
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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#248 Postby NotoSans » Sun Aug 14, 2016 8:30 pm

euro6208 wrote:Image

http://www.weather.gov.hk/blog/en/archives/00000199.htm

Quite an interesting article i found...JTWC leading all asian agencies...


The sampling size can be a problem though as HKO only considers the ones west of 140E during their verification. However, a lot of the TCs last year actually develop east of 140E due to El Nino, so their verification may not be representative of the overall performance last year.

http://www.typhooncommittee.org/48th/do ... (2016.3.31).pdf
According to this report, JTWC actually did not lead last year.
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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#249 Postby euro6208 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 1:21 am

Shear forecast for September has generally normal to low shear near the Philippines and the subtropics near Wake Island...

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Shear decreases further in October...Could be a big end if this verifies...

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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#250 Postby euro6208 » Mon Aug 15, 2016 2:50 am

1900hurricane wrote:The storm names are coming at a good clip now, but most aren't doing too much intensity-wise so far, which is shades of '99 a little. Still, we'll probably end up blowing '99 out of the water at least (that year only ended up with 110 units of ACE, the lowest I'm aware of in the WPac).


Doubt we can reach 33 TC's (9 in Aug, 7 in Sept, and 3 in Oct,Nov,and Dec) from that year but i do agree that we can at least muster more ACE.
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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#251 Postby Hammy » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:13 am

This year seems like the storms are struggling more than usual and there have been four almost Atlantic-ish storms that went hybrid as they reached 30N. Is there any particular reason? It seems strange.
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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#252 Postby Caneman12 » Tue Aug 16, 2016 1:27 am

Because W pac season is a bust
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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#253 Postby Typhoon Hunter » Tue Aug 16, 2016 4:54 am

Caneman12 wrote:Because W pac season is a bust


Wpac makes me zzzzzzz right now, nothing interests me less than these weak hybrid storms. Goes without saying though that Chanthu could still cause issues in Japan with flooding.

A bust? Not really sure what that means out here. Already had one strong cat 4 make landfall (peaking as a 5) and the season basically runs till Dec 31st. I would not be at all surprised if this year is heavily backloaded with at least one more super typhoon landfall, probably in Luzon.
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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#254 Postby stormwise » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:18 am

As far as i know 2010 was the least active typhoon season with 14 named storms, one of them being Megi 885 hPa. The season really ramped up from late August to December. I find it interesting 2010 was also a year the IOD also had a strong negative. :wink:
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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#255 Postby dexterlabio » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:38 am

Hammy wrote:This year seems like the storms are struggling more than usual and there have been four almost Atlantic-ish storms that went hybrid as they reached 30N. Is there any particular reason? It seems strange.



For a post-Nino year, a record low WPAC season is not strange. This is supposed to be the year when the Atlantic turns the table and becomes hyperactive, in contrast to an El Nino year when WPAC is the one that is crazy awake.


Which reminds me though, around July or August 2013 I almost thought WPAC would be another record low typhoon season. Then came September with Cat 3 to 5 typhoon streak until November. Perhaps we can say that even in a bust season, WPAC can spawn at least a Cat 3.
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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#256 Postby 1900hurricane » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:41 am

Hammy wrote:This year seems like the storms are struggling more than usual and there have been four almost Atlantic-ish storms that went hybrid as they reached 30N. Is there any particular reason? It seems strange.


I mentioned some of my thoughts in comment 244, but the short version is storms are forming much further north than usual and then immediately moving north into more hostile areas. The box south of 20*N and extending from the Philippines east across the basin where typhoons typically get strong has been notably empty so far this year (except for Nepartak, which did traverse that area and possesses over half the season's ACE and 3/4 the season's PDI). The active season of 2015 had many storms track across the true tropical regions of the Western Pacific, a stark contrast to this year thus far.

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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#257 Postby Typhoon Hunter » Tue Aug 16, 2016 8:18 am

Nice graphic Ryan, sums up the situation nicely. Yeah 2013 springs to mind too, that was extremely back loaded!
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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#258 Postby 1900hurricane » Tue Aug 16, 2016 9:46 am

Typhoon Hunter wrote:Nice graphic Ryan, sums up the situation nicely. Yeah 2013 springs to mind too, that was extremely back loaded!


Thanks! As far as a 2013 comparison goes, Utor was just dissipating at this time that year, giving 2013 the edge on ACE on 2016 for the moment, but the two are currently running very close together. This year is also in the company of some other fairly lackluster seasons so far, as illustrated by the following Tweet from Dr. Klotzbach.

 https://twitter.com/philklotzbach/status/765232385310937088




2010 and 1998 had the second and third lowest ACE in the post-recon era (only the truly putrid 1999 had lower). 2013 parallels offer some hope of recovery, but the post-Nino years of 1998 and 2010 may end up being better analogs.

As far as post-Ninos go, 1983 is an interesting one. It had many of the flaws of other post-Ninos, but managed to eek out some surprising quality storms, and not just in the October/early November time frame when post-Ninos usually offer up their gem.
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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#259 Postby 1900hurricane » Tue Aug 16, 2016 10:56 am

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Re: 2016 WPAC Season

#260 Postby Typhoon Hunter » Tue Aug 16, 2016 7:31 pm

That's why those analogs of 1998 and 2010 concern me in regards to what's in store for Luzon later this year.

I remember Utor in 2013, beast of a storm!
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