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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2041 Postby SapphireSea » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:32 pm

GeneratorPower wrote:My two cents, as an interested amateur, recorded for historical purposes.

This storm has all the hallmarks of a dangerous, surprise-type disaster waiting to happen. The storm is difficult to forecast. There is a giant convective ball literally in the center of the Caribbean Sea while the LLC supposedly is near Puerto Rico. That's hundreds of miles difference. There are arguments over multiple centers in multiple levels. The NHC goes out of its way to highlight the uncertainty, which is greater than normal. Summary: we don't know where it's going nor how strong.

Then, there's the wild card. The warm water and forecasted good conditions off Florida. We have a storm that's unpredictable heading into an area of favorable conditions. Yet curiously the news media is downplaying the threat. So now, we have a general population that has been told no big deal in advance of an unpredictable storm.

The risk is that this gets to near FL and explodes. Overnight. Like Humberto off Texas some years ago. I'm not forecasting that. I'm not forecasting anything. Just pointing out that the ingredients are present for a big surprise and massive problems because of it.


The media these days has upticked it's responsibilities actually. They have the backing to downplay the events. Right now the reality is that this does not have much support behind being a threat anymore. There is a fine line between reporting and hype; and unfortunately the effects of instilling concern is more detrimental than to downplay until its too late to prepare for a major disaster. The media has learned alot since Floyd and Rita, and cannot afford to create panic and distrust of that magnitude ever again; as scientists (and amateur scientists) we laugh and disdain them when they do wrong, but they have a hard line of responsibility they have to navigate. Downplaying right now is the right move; they have their own on-staff professionals, and in the end they will adapt accordingly. Truth be told, if a weak TD is 120 miles off shore coming at you, and it goes under a modest RI (25mb) it goes from TD to Cat 2/3 (which can happen) a disaster is almost inevitable on the grand scale. Honestly, the best thing I would advocate is to have your hurricane preparedness plans streamlined for all Categories of storms, and can be completed within 4-8 hours to protect life. 12-16 hours to protect major property; and the rest is unfortunately going to have to be a sacrifice due to the nature of nature. My 2 cents on these thoughts.
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#2042 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:33 pm

I'm also looking at an interesting area around 17.5N 63.5W

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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2043 Postby ROCK » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:34 pm

northjaxpro wrote:
GeneratorPower wrote:My two cents, as an interested amateur, recorded for historical purposes.

This storm has all the hallmarks of a dangerous, surprise-type disaster waiting to happen. The storm is difficult to forecast. There is a giant convective ball literally in the center of the Caribbean Sea while the LLC supposedly is near Puerto Rico. That's hundreds of miles difference. There are arguments over multiple centers in multiple levels. The NHC goes out of its way to highlight the uncertainty, which is greater than normal. Summary: we don't know where it's going nor how strong.

Then, there's the wild card. The warm water and forecasted good conditions off Florida. We have a storm that's unpredictable heading into an area of favorable conditions. Yet curiously the news media is downplaying the threat. So now, we have a general population that has been told no big deal in advance of an unpredictable storm.

The risk is that this gets to near FL and explodes. Overnight. Like Humberto off Texas some years ago. I'm not forecasting that. I'm not forecasting anything. Just pointing out that the ingredients are present for a big surprise and massive problems because of it.




The post of the night so far! Great post ! 8-)




agree...with that post I am going to start my generator for the fun of it...thank you. :lol:
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#2044 Postby HurriGuy » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:37 pm

Hurricaneman wrote:I'm also looking at an interesting area around 17.5N 63.5W

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I see nothing there
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#2045 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:40 pm

HurriGuy wrote:
Hurricaneman wrote:I'm also looking at an interesting area around 17.5N 63.5W

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I see nothing there


might just be an MLC im seeing but it looks interesting
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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2046 Postby CYCLONE MIKE » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:44 pm

GeneratorPower

Not going to requote your post again, but you think instead of the media "down playing" this weak, possibly even less than that, storm they should over hype the hell out of it just because there is some slimmest of slim chance it could strengthen although no model worth a flip is or has been showing that all day? For once it's a nice change of pace to see them not over hyping weather and trying to scare people into watching for ratings.
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#2047 Postby floridasun78 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:44 pm

if no low form in area east of Puerto Rico i think Erika will be strong tropical wave !!!!!!! The posts in this forum are NOT official forecast and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or storm2k.org. For official information, please refer to the NHC and NWS products.
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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2048 Postby lilac » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:47 pm

I don't think the media is downplaying it as they are reporting it. Even up here in New York the local stations have a segment on Erika. They're keeping everyone updated but not predicting too much yet because of the unpredictability of the storm. I think they're actually doing a good job. I definitely understand what you were saying in your post about it being a surprise.
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#2049 Postby Evil Jeremy » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:51 pm

HurriGuy wrote:
Hurricaneman wrote:I'm also looking at an interesting area around 17.5N 63.5W

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I see nothing there


I see it. I don't know what it is, but I see what you see.
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#2050 Postby floridasun78 » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:51 pm

here miami ch 4 not playing down their telling people watch news report fot update and go nhc site to see avd
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#2051 Postby Hurricaneman » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:54 pm

Evil Jeremy wrote:
HurriGuy wrote:
Hurricaneman wrote:I'm also looking at an interesting area around 17.5N 63.5W

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I see nothing there


I see it. I don't know what it is, but I see what you see.


The thing is if it reforms there we have more shifts in the forecast and possibly something more intense as it would probably miss Hispaniola by a bigger margin like 25 to 30 miles which leads to more headaches

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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2052 Postby Hammy » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:55 pm

@ozonepete: What's your take on the guidance shift and the prospects of surviving the trek across DR?

I'm also watching those two large blobs of convection, and they seem to be getting closer, could a new center form if they can merge or is it a result of the MLC being east?
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#2053 Postby Evil Jeremy » Thu Aug 27, 2015 11:56 pm

floridasun78 wrote:here miami ch 4 not playing down their telling people watch news report fot update and go nhc site to see avd


Which is the responsible and correct thing for them to be doing. Right now, that's an appropriate reaction. They aren't playing it up either.
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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2054 Postby Nederlander » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:03 am

I really don't understand the speed at which some tend to write off storms or overhype them when they are in the development stages. I can understand it a little more when the NHC is confident in a forecast either way, but they have even said that confidence is unusually low. Developing tropical systems frequently pulse. Sometimes they look like they are on track to turn into a monster, and other days they look rather weak or disorganized. It is all part of the process and sometimes they develop and other times they do not. I think all of this is especially true if you are within the NHC cone of uncertainty, but also if you are somewhere that a storm COULD go within the next few days. Preparation: It is better to have and not need than to need and not have...


In other news, I was checking out IR and it appears that the two main vorts that have been discussed are closing in on one another. Is what is happening with Erika a good example of the fujiwhara effect?
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#2055 Postby Hurricaneman » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:08 am

There seems to be inflow going into an area around 64W 17.2N but it could be my tired eyes seeing things

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#2056 Postby floridasun78 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:09 am

other thing tonight storms not dieing as did other few night
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Re: ATL: ERIKA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#2057 Postby tolakram » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:10 am

saved radar loop.

Vortex cruising by PR.

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#2058 Postby LarryWx » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:11 am

IF Erika hits the CONUS as a TC, it would be the one that reached TS intensity the furthest east per records (47.7W) since 1899 during a strong El Nino that subsequently hit the CONUS.
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#2059 Postby deltadog03 » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:14 am

LOL this is awful trying to figure out. Might have to re-think my intensity forecast. will wait for the old DOC to see whats up. Might not make it to Hurricane...Hell, it might not make it after DR/Haiti
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#2060 Postby SouthFLTropics » Fri Aug 28, 2015 12:16 am

LarryWx wrote:IF Erika hits the CONUS as a TC, it would be the one that reached TS intensity the furthest east per records (47.7W) since 1899 during a strong El Nino that subsequently hit the CONUS.


I'm curious how they know the historical data on this that far out in the ocean prior to the satellite era.
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