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#301 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:02 pm

Kilo is barely a tropical cyclone. Recon found 10 knot westerly winds and 35 FL 30 knt SFMR far from the center. I guess we can call this is a TC, but this is worse than 11E.
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#302 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:03 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:Kiko is barely a tropical cyclone. Recon found 10 knot westerly winds and 35 FL 30 knt SFMR far from the center. I guess we can call this is a TC, but this is worse than 11E.


GFS keep this weak until 96 hours in. Further west of Hawaii.
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#303 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:09 pm

The longer it takes to consolidate and get going, the better for Hawaii.
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#304 Postby Alyono » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:12 pm

the threat may soon be over if the latest trends continue. The mid level shear is simply not abating, which is keeping this weak
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#305 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:17 pm

GFS starts a turn at around day 5.
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#306 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:19 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:GFS starts a turn at around day 5.


Stalls it for 36 hours.

Troughing isn't the question for the GFS at all compared to the Euro. Just storm strength.
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#307 Postby TropicalAnalystwx13 » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:22 pm

It's very premature to say that the threat may soon be over when Kilo was forecast to struggle initially. Mid-level winds should abate over the next 24-36 hours as the cyclone moves west-northwest. Thereafter, a combination of light shear, warm ocean temperatures, and adequate mid-level moisture should favor steady to quick intensification. I think the HWRF has the future evolution of Kilo nailed, showing the cyclone broad and disorganized through 36 hours but substantial intensification thereafter. Residents in the westernmost Hawaiian Islands should be closely monitoring the system.
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#308 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:25 pm

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Here's a look at the mid-level shear.
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#309 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:31 pm

00z GFS ridge builds back and sends it west.
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#310 Postby Yellow Evan » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:36 pm

Kingarabian wrote:00z GFS ridge builds back and sends it west.


Don't understand why.

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#311 Postby Kingarabian » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:38 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:
Kingarabian wrote:00z GFS ridge builds back and sends it west.


Don't understand why.



I know right? It's wide open and strong enough.
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#312 Postby srainhoutx » Fri Aug 21, 2015 11:49 pm

Once Kilo gets above 15N it appears shear relaxes and I would not be surprised to see convection develop around the eastern semicircle. Frankly I thought is was a little atypically bullish for the CPHC to upgrade this mess this morning when we could see the low level circulation center was exposed to the E of the deep convection. Let's see what the night and tomorrow bring before raising the 'all clear' flag for Hawaii.
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#313 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:30 am

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18z HWRF

Also, if the storm goes west, this will be very fun to track.

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#314 Postby Alyono » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:46 am

GFDL and HWRF appear to be moving ENE at the end, but should be far enough west to allow the ridge to build back in
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#315 Postby cane2cane » Sat Aug 22, 2015 12:50 am

:uarrow:

Thanks for posting these all the time. One question that has bugged me about all these charts: Why do the pressures for the systems not appear to line up with the wind speed estimates? For example, the HWRF chart shows Kilo with a MSLP of 943...yet the maximum wind speed is listed at only 77 knots. I thought a min pressure reading of 943 equals a category 4 hurricane at least. What am i missing?
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#316 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:01 am

cane2cane wrote::uarrow:

Thanks for posting these all the time. One question that has bugged me about all these charts: Why do the pressures for the systems not appear to line up with the wind speed estimates? For example, the HWRF chart shows Kilo with a MSLP of 943...yet the maximum wind speed is listed at only 77 knots. I thought a min pressure reading of 943 equals a category 4 hurricane at least. What am i missing?


Models wind speeds just plain don't match up with the winds. They don't have the ability to do so.
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#317 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:27 am

0z ECMWF quite interesting. 992mbar by Day 5, stronger than last run.
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#318 Postby Alyono » Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:29 am

ECMWF MUCH stronger and closer to Hawaii
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#319 Postby Alyono » Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:31 am

EC still is a miss, but was a NE shift
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#320 Postby Yellow Evan » Sat Aug 22, 2015 1:33 am

ECMWF through 6 days. Seems to have this moving NW due to a trough to the NW that is ex-Atsani.
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