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#221 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jun 03, 2015 12:37 pm

TropicalAnalystwx13 wrote:Both Andres and Blanca have displayed a pattern of convective warming throughout the daylight hours and convective deepening throughout the overnight hours. It's long believed that diurnal cycles don't affect significant tropical cyclones, but I'm not no sure that's the case after watching these two systems.


Then again, the eye has also cooled during that same time.
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#222 Postby MiamiensisWx » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:22 pm

I think a bigger problem than upwelling and mid-level dry air is the extreme upper-level divergence over the system. This pattern has facilitated the development of persistent outer convective banding on the south side of the cyclone over the past few days, which could be disrupting inflow into the inner core. To be honest, that makes more sense than any diurnal convective wane. I don't expect things to change until Blanca starts its re-curvature overnight, but when it does, I expect shear to be low enough so that dry air won't be too much of a problem. The big question is whether the lopsided convective pattern forces an early eyewall replacement cycle, which would throw a wrench into the intensity forecast, likely leading to a weaker system that takes time to recover, thereby having a briefer window for re-intensification before shear increases and heat content diminishes.
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#223 Postby CrazyC83 » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:24 pm

UW - CIMSS
ADVANCED DVORAK TECHNIQUE
ADT-Version 8.2.1
Tropical Cyclone Intensity Algorithm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 03 JUN 2015 Time : 171500 UTC
Lat : 12:13:40 N Lon : 104:38:38 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
6.3 / 944.0mb/122.2kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
6.3 6.8 6.8

Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR : 18 km

Center Temp : +4.1C Cloud Region Temp : -72.4C

Scene Type : EYE

Positioning Method : RING/SPIRAL COMBINATION

Ocean Basin : EAST PACIFIC
Dvorak CI > MSLP Conversion Used : ATLANTIC

Tno/CI Rules : Constraint Limits : NO LIMIT
Weakening Flag : OFF
Rapid Dissipation Flag : OFF

C/K/Z MSLP Estimate Inputs :
- Average 34 knot radii : 77km
- Environmental MSLP : 1010mb

Satellite Name : GOES13
Satellite Viewing Angle : 37.0 degrees
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#224 Postby MiamiensisWx » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:30 pm

JtSmarts wrote:Don't usually follow the Pacific, but wow, what a nice looking storm! Hopefully she's not a major problem for Baja.

This system is nowhere nearly as impressive as several of the storms last year, especially Amanda and Marie. The eye is warming currently, but it is small, and the surrounding central dense overcast is lukewarm. I definitely don't see this system being higher than 125 kt currently. The warming convection is likely due to the influence of persistent convective banding to the south of the CDO.
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#225 Postby TropicalAnalystwx13 » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:31 pm

Up to 120kt.

EP, 02, 2015060318, , BEST, 0, 123N, 1047W, 120, 945, HU
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Re: EPAC: BLANCA - Hurricane

#226 Postby cycloneye » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:35 pm

Some upwelling may begin soon if Blanca doesn't start to move.
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#227 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:43 pm

cycloneye wrote:Some upwelling may begin soon if Blanca doesn't start to move.


Yes, but the upwelling shouldn't be too bad.

HEAT CONTENT 98 99 99 94 88 58 24
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#228 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:45 pm

TropicalAnalystwx13 wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
TheStormExpert wrote:Looks like some dry air is creeping into view from the N/NNW. Will this possibly affect it?


I wouldn't worry about it too much yet. Example would've been Andres, unlike some systems over in the Atlantic, EPAC storms can fight off dry air well. Especially with a good CCKW and ENSO convection below it backing it up. Cooling SST's down the road would be a bigger detriment but that's still a ways off.

Yeah, dry air shouldn't be too much of an issue in the absence of wind shear. As you said, we saw that with Andres which blossomed to 130kt despite a large mass of dry air in its vicinity, and we've seen it with numerous cyclones before then.
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TheStormExpert wrote:Looks like some dry air is creeping into view from the N/NNW. Will this possibly affect it?


I wouldn't worry about it too much yet. Example would've been Andres, unlike some systems over in the Atlantic, EPAC storms can fight off dry air well. Especially with a good CCKW and ENSO convection below it backing it up. Cooling SST's down the road would be a bigger detriment but that's still a ways off.


100% agreed. Dry air for whatever reasons seems to work differently in the EPAC.

TropicalAnalystwx13 wrote:Both Andres and Blanca have displayed a pattern of convective warming throughout the daylight hours and convective deepening throughout the overnight hours. It's long believed that diurnal cycles don't affect significant tropical cyclones, but I'm not no sure that's the case after watching these two systems.


Was thinking this too. Funny how they both look their worst when the sun is up, and when the sun is down they rapidly intensify. Need more sample size; could be a fluke.
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#229 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:47 pm

----- Current Analysis -----
Date : 03 JUN 2015 Time : 174500 UTC
Lat : 12:13:41 N Lon : 104:38:33 W


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
6.4 / 941.8mb/124.6kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
6.4 6.8 6.8

Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR : 19 km

Center Temp : +5.3C Cloud Region Temp : -72.4C

Scene Type : EYE
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#230 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:49 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Some upwelling may begin soon if Blanca doesn't start to move.


Yes, but the upwelling shouldn't be too bad.

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The NHC hasn't mentioned a word about upwelling in any of its forecasts, this could be the reason
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#231 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jun 03, 2015 1:52 pm

Kingarabian wrote:
Yellow Evan wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Some upwelling may begin soon if Blanca doesn't start to move.


Yes, but the upwelling shouldn't be too bad.

HEAT CONTENT 98 99 99 94 88 58 24


The NHC hasn't mentioned a word about upwelling in any of its forecasts, this could be the reason


Ryan Maue ‏@RyanMaue 2h2 hours ago

HWRF 12z coupled to ocean below ... stationary Blanca upwells 13°C water to surface, um?
Stationary Cat 4 ... rare?

Eric Blake ‏@EricBlake12 2h2 hours ago

@RyanMaue seems like a pretty big error to me. No way it gets that cold-- worthy of a few questions
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#232 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:10 pm

Cloud tops warming on the north side. Don't know why.
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#233 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:13 pm

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#234 Postby MiamiensisWx » Wed Jun 03, 2015 2:57 pm

Yellow Evan wrote:Cloud tops warming on the north side. Don't know why.

*AHEM*
MiamiensisWx wrote:I think a bigger problem than upwelling and mid-level dry air is the extreme upper-level divergence over the system. This pattern has facilitated the development of persistent outer convective banding on the south side of the cyclone over the past few days, which could be disrupting inflow into the inner core. To be honest, that makes more sense than any diurnal convective wane. I don't expect things to change until Blanca starts its re-curvature overnight, but when it does, I expect shear to be low enough so that dry air won't be too much of a problem. The big question is whether the lopsided convective pattern forces an early eyewall replacement cycle, which would throw a wrench into the intensity forecast, likely leading to a weaker system that takes time to recover, thereby having a briefer window for re-intensification before shear increases and heat content diminishes.

No one really offered thoughts about this post. Don't know why. If I'm wrong, I would be interested in hearing an alternative explanation or correction.
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#235 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:03 pm

MiamiensisWx wrote:I think a bigger problem than upwelling and mid-level dry air is the extreme upper-level divergence over thesystem. This pattern has facilitated the development of persistent outer convective banding on the south side of the cyclone over the past few days, which could be disrupting inflow into the inner core. To be honest, that makes more sense than any diurnal convective wane. I don't expect things to change until Blanca starts its re-curvature overnight, but when it does, I expect shear to be low enough so that dry air won't be too much of a problem. The big question is whether the lopsided convective pattern forces an early eyewall replacement cycle, which would throw a wrench into the intensity forecast, likely leading to a weaker system that takes time to recover, thereby having a briefer window for re-intensification before shear increases and heat content diminishes.


Well, the upper level divergence is to its SE, and the warming of the cloud tops is happening on the north and west side.

Also, EPAC storms seem to avoid ERC's for some reason. Not saying that isn't possible.
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#236 Postby 1900hurricane » Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:10 pm

It's somewhat tough to say with any certainty what is ailing Blanca currently, but if I had to guess, I'd actually say eyewall replacement. Microwave imagery from this morning showed a rather loose brightness gradient between the warmest part of the eye and coldest updrafts in the eyewall, which is something that is often seen in the latter stages of eyewall replacement. A flaw in this thinking though is that this pass occurred only just at cloud tops were beginning to warm, but it is perhaps possible that the polar orbiter did not have the resolution to resolve the very small inner eyewall well enough to clearly distinguish it, thereby displaying the loose brightness gradient. This is just a hunch at this point, but so far, the convective degradation seems to be in line with what is typically observed during eyewall replacement, where the most robust warming occurs directly adjacent to the eye.

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#237 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:10 pm

Latest frame shows cooling tops to the north once again.


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
6.6 / 937.2mb/129.6kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
6.6 6.4 6.4

Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR : 18 km

Center Temp : -1.2C Cloud Region Temp : -70.3C
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#238 Postby Kingarabian » Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:13 pm

1900hurricane wrote:It's somewhat tough to say with any certainty what is ailing Blanca currently, but if I had to guess, I'd actually say eyewall replacement. Microwave imagery from this morning showed a rather loose brightness gradient between the warmest part of the eye and coldest updrafts in the eyewall, which is something that is often seen in the latter stages of eyewall replacement. A flaw in this thinking though is that this pass occurred only just at cloud tops were beginning to warm, but it is perhaps possible that the polar orbiter did not have the resolution to resolve the very small inner eyewall well enough to clearly distinguish it, thereby displaying the loose brightness gradient. This is just a hunch at this point, but so far, the convective degradation seems to be in line with what is typically observed during eyewall replacement, where the most robust warming occurs directly adjacent to the eye.

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Good hunch. It's surprising though. Normally you would see an ERC once the storm has leveled off in intensity. Blanca certainly looked like it was in the midst of RI earlier.
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#239 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:17 pm

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#240 Postby Yellow Evan » Wed Jun 03, 2015 3:19 pm

Kingarabian wrote:Latest frame shows cooling tops to the north once again.


CI# /Pressure/ Vmax
6.6 / 937.2mb/129.6kt


Final T# Adj T# Raw T#
6.6 6.4 6.4

Estimated radius of max. wind based on IR : 18 km

Center Temp : -1.2C Cloud Region Temp : -70.3C


I'd go 125 then.
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