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#401 Postby dhweather » Mon Sep 29, 2014 9:37 am

Looks like September 2014 will in fact go down as the driest September in North Texas recorded history.

DFW has officially reported 0.06" of rain this month. The record at DFW is 0.09" in September 1984.
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#402 Postby weatherdude1108 » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:08 am

Going on two weeks without any measurable rain (this coming Thursday) at the casa. The multi-year cycle of heavy rain events, followed by the multi-week/month dry events continues.

Watered my landscape plants yesterday for the first time since it rained here.
Prospects look less likely late this week for good rains here, then it dries out again for the weekend. :(

I thought the CPC last week said above normal rains for the 6-10 and 8-14 day periods(??). Meanwhile the lakes get lower. I'm tired of this trend. :roll:

C'mon El Nino!!
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#403 Postby Texas Snowman » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:44 am

dhweather wrote:Looks like September 2014 will in fact go down as the driest September in North Texas recorded history.

DFW has officially reported 0.06" of rain this month. The record at DFW is 0.09" in September 1984.


With all due respect, it's the driest September in DFW history, not necessarily in the regional history of North Texas.

As I posted a page or two back, not everyone in North Texas has gone this month w/out any real measurable rainfall. Sherman (only 66 miles north of DFW Airport and very much in North Texas) has recorded 2.93 inches of rain this month. Other communities in Grayson County (including Denison, Tom Bean, etc.) have had at least as much if not more rain. While the last two weeks have been dry, earlier in the month, there was enough rainfall that it actually finished filling up stock ponds in SE Grayson County.

Given all of the rainfall this September across many other portions of Texas - some of it flooding rains that produced flash flood watches and warnings in West Texas, Central Texas and South Texas - I can only conclude that DFW's scant rainfall (and yes, for that site, it is a record) is simply an anomaly in a state that has otherwise enjoyed some very generous amounts of beneficial liquid gold.
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#404 Postby gboudx » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:47 am

:uarrow: In my part of Rockwall county, we've had about 3" of rain in September. But I've been down in Forney in dhweather's area for soccer games this month, and it looks much drier down there than here. The rain has been spotty; with those areas getting rain, getting a lot of rain.
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#405 Postby Portastorm » Mon Sep 29, 2014 11:55 am

Texas Snowman wrote:
dhweather wrote:Looks like September 2014 will in fact go down as the driest September in North Texas recorded history.

DFW has officially reported 0.06" of rain this month. The record at DFW is 0.09" in September 1984.


With all due respect, it's the driest September in DFW history, not necessarily in the regional history of North Texas.

As I posted a page or two back, not everyone in North Texas has gone this month w/out any real measurable rainfall. Sherman (only 66 miles north of DFW Airport and very much in North Texas) has recorded 2.93 inches of rain this month. Other communities in Grayson County (including Denison, Tom Bean, etc.) have had at least as much if not more rain. While the last two weeks have been dry, earlier in the month, there was enough rainfall that it actually finished filling up stock ponds in SE Grayson County.

Given all of the rainfall this September across many other portions of Texas - some of it flooding rains that produced flash flood watches and warnings in West Texas, Central Texas and South Texas - I can only conclude that DFW's scant rainfall (and yes, for that site, it is a record) is simply an anomaly in a state that has otherwise enjoyed some very generous amounts of beneficial liquid gold.


Yes, technically this is true as there is a string of four counties along the Red River in north/northeast Texas which show positive rainfall anomalies for the last 30 days. But probably 75% of North Texas has experienced a significant precip deficit compared to normal in the last 30-60 days.
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#406 Postby Texas Snowman » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:14 pm

Then I'll stand technically corrected! :)
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#407 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:27 pm

You can see some 2002 and 2003 analogs on the 6 to 10 day. Bastardi has been saying those years will be similar.
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#408 Postby Portastorm » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:40 pm

Texas Snowman wrote:Then I'll stand technically corrected! :)


No, you need to stand technically correct as I was affirming your statement! :lol:

However, I did want to point out that dhweather's statement was also accurate in that much (not all) of North Texas has experienced some drier-than-normal conditions, some much worse than others.
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#409 Postby WeatherNewbie » Mon Sep 29, 2014 1:51 pm

Portastorm wrote:
Texas Snowman wrote:Then I'll stand technically corrected! :)


No, you need to stand technically correct as I was affirming your statement! :lol:

However, I did want to point out that dhweather's statement was also accurate in that much (not all) of North Texas has experienced some drier-than-normal conditions, some much worse than others.


I think some people take issue with his/her attempt to generalize an entire region by the results of one or two small pockets. It sucks for any of us when we end up in one of the rain doughnuts. But the reality is that much of North Texas has received average to above average rainfall in September and for most of the year. As a whole, the state has fared pretty well this year, and I am happy about that.
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#410 Postby somethingfunny » Mon Sep 29, 2014 2:18 pm

I've had about .15" of rainfall on my yard here in Garland for the month of September. So.... it's been really dry... but not as dry as the airport. :lol:

There's no way for me to know if .09" would be the driest September on record at this location. .15" is the driest September since I began keeping records here 4 years ago :P

The good news is that October is typically quite wet in Dallas and we should have an EPAC cyclone or two providing enhancements this season in particular. The bad news is in the second graph.

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#411 Postby Ntxw » Mon Sep 29, 2014 3:57 pm

:uarrow: What is the second graph? August had much more rain than July
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#412 Postby South Texas Storms » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:01 pm

Warm and dry conditions are in the forecast through Wednesday ahead of a cold front that is expected to move through Texas on Thursday/Friday. Scattered showers and thunderstorms will likely develop along the front across the eastern half of Texas. Cooler and drier conditions are expected this weekend.

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#413 Postby somethingfunny » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:11 pm

Ntxw wrote::uarrow: What is the second graph? August had much more rain than July


I pulled it from http://average-rainfall.findthebest.com/l/244/Dallas-Texas

These are the totals they show for Dallas, it must be some other source than DFW Airport though:

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It's clearly not official... I appreciated the ready-made graphs available near the top of the Google listings and I neglected to check if they were official totals or where they were taken. It appears to be a backyard station in Uptown Dallas though it goes back to the 1900s.

Here are the official DFW Airport numbers from NOAA:

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August certainly wasn't that wet over here on this side of the county. :sun:
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#414 Postby dhweather » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:29 pm

Texas Snowman wrote:
dhweather wrote:Looks like September 2014 will in fact go down as the driest September in North Texas recorded history.

DFW has officially reported 0.06" of rain this month. The record at DFW is 0.09" in September 1984.


With all due respect, it's the driest September in DFW history, not necessarily in the regional history of North Texas.

As I posted a page or two back, not everyone in North Texas has gone this month w/out any real measurable rainfall. Sherman (only 66 miles north of DFW Airport and very much in North Texas) has recorded 2.93 inches of rain this month. Other communities in Grayson County (including Denison, Tom Bean, etc.) have had at least as much if not more rain. While the last two weeks have been dry, earlier in the month, there was enough rainfall that it actually finished filling up stock ponds in SE Grayson County.

Given all of the rainfall this September across many other portions of Texas - some of it flooding rains that produced flash flood watches and warnings in West Texas, Central Texas and South Texas - I can only conclude that DFW's scant rainfall (and yes, for that site, it is a record) is simply an anomaly in a state that has otherwise enjoyed some very generous amounts of beneficial liquid gold.



Very true - the Red River counties are in fact part of North Texas. That said, countless times I've watched convection flow out of Oklahoma into the RR counties, then die.

There has been some hit, mostly miss precip this month, I would estimate about 75% of the FWD CWA has not received significant rains this month. Here and there, there has been rain, and in a few places, a whole lot. I believe downtown Fort Worth got 2-3" in one thunderstorm mid September.
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#415 Postby dhweather » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:38 pm

Just looked at the 12Z GFS, it is looking mighty dry for the next week or two. Or four. :roll:
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#416 Postby dhweather » Mon Sep 29, 2014 4:43 pm

The 12Z Euro agrees, bone dry for the metroplex.


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#417 Postby Ntxw » Mon Sep 29, 2014 5:15 pm

somethingfunny wrote:
Ntxw wrote::uarrow: What is the second graph? August had much more rain than July


I pulled it fromhttp://average-rainfall.findthebest ... llas-Texas

These are the totals they show for Dallas, it must be some other source than DFW Airport though:

http://i.imgur.com/2yzAslW.png

It's clearly not official... I appreciated the ready-made graphs available near the top of the Google listings and I neglected to check if they were official totals or where they were taken. It appears to be a backyard station in Uptown Dallas though it goes back to the 1900s.

Here are the official DFW Airport numbers from NOAA:

http://i.imgur.com/j5koraz.png

August certainly wasn't that wet over here on this side of the county. :sun:


Ah gotcha thanks for the clarification. I agree it has been very variable the past few months between sites.
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#418 Postby horselattitudesfarm » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:02 pm

dhweather wrote:The 12Z Euro agrees, bone dry for the metroplex.


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I like the way they place the donut hole right over the DFW area :cry:
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#419 Postby dhweather » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:14 pm

DFW recorded 15.91" Jan 1 - Sep 30 this year, 18.67 same period last year. That site says average annual rainfall for Dallas is 40" ?? This got me to looking.

Using FWD's data

2004-2013 - 33.257" average annual rain
1994-2003 - 35.883" average annual rain
1984-1993 - 36.311" average annual rain

The 30 year average is 35.15" average annual rain

Interesting comparison of decade by decade - just over 3" less annually this decade than two decades ago, on average. DFW has had less than 20" of rain in a year only 8 times since 1900. This year is a contender.
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#420 Postby Ntxw » Mon Sep 29, 2014 6:56 pm

It's really disappointing to see what this thread has become. For several months, more times than not it's become a whine fest about people's backyards instead of productive discussion as if any of us here controls the weather. We're in a midst of a long time drought, no one denies this it's pretty obvious with the PDO. There is a drought monitor thread for that kind of discussion.
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