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#3181 Postby srainhoutx » Sat Jan 04, 2014 12:59 pm

TeamPlayersBlue wrote:Other than maybe Feb 2011, i cant remember the last time IAH or actual Houston hit the teens. Been a while. Maybe 96



83 and 89 were very cold in the single digits at IAH. Here are the records for CLL/IAH/HOU/GLS for the upcoming dates:

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CLIMATE...
RECORD LOW TEMPERATURES (AND YEAR ESTABLISHED) FOR MONDAY AND TUESDAY
ARE...

     MONDAY (1/6) TUESDAY (1/7)

CLL - 21 (1970)     15 (1912)
IAH - 22 (1972)     19 (1970)
HOU - 25 (1972)     19 (1970)
GLS - 23 (1879)     27 (1970)
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#3182 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:02 pm

Thanks for the climo records :)

Blustery and 27F. Me no likey. Reminds me of Austin earlier in the year.

Edit: I should rephrase.... its the blustery part i dont like.
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#3183 Postby SaskatchewanScreamer » Sat Jan 04, 2014 2:05 pm

Come North Boys!!! :grrr:

Or not...will do my darndest to send your dream cold down to you!!! :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr: :grrr:
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#3184 Postby WeatherGuesser » Sat Jan 04, 2014 3:55 pm

Portastorm wrote:Winter = cancel

:wink:



Meaning :?:
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#3185 Postby Rgv20 » Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:13 pm

NWS Brownsville Afternoon discussion...Small window for frozen precipitation Monday Night to early Tuesday Morning! Looking at the 12zECMWF Control Ensemble and the 12zECMWF Ensembles they came a bit wetter for the period of Monday Night to Tuesday Morning with 850mb Temperatures below freezing and Temperatures in the mid 30s.

.LONG TERM /MONDAY THROUGH SATURDAY/...STRONG 500MB TROUGH ACROSS
THE EASTERN HALF OF THE COUNTRY MONDAY WILL CONTINUE TO ALLOW
ARCTIC AIR TO CONTINUE TO SPILL INTO THE CENTRAL UNITED STATES
MONDAY. WIND CHILL ADVISORIES WILL LIKELY BE NEEDED FOR MOST OF
THE CWA MON MORNING AND LATE MON NIGHT INTO EARLY TUESDAY. IT
LOOKS LIKE MON NIGHT TEMPERATURES MAY BE COLDER THAN SUN NIGHT AND
WITH THAT A FREEZE WATCH/WARNING MAY BE NEEDED ACROSS THE NORTHERN
AND WESTERN PORTIONS OF THE CWA MONDAY NIGHT. THE OTHER ISSUE IS
THE POTENTIAL FOR FROZEN PRECIPITATION...YES...FROZEN
PRECIPITATION...EARLY TUESDAY AS BOTH THE GFS AND ECMWF ADVERTISE
A SHORTWAVE MOVING EASTWARD ACROSS NORTHERN MEXICO LATE MON NIGHT
INTO TUESDAY WITH LOW TO MID LEVEL MOISTURE ACROSS NORTHEAST
MEXICO INCHING NORTHWARD WITH A WEAK COASTAL TROUGH DEVELOPING
ACROSS EXTREME WESTERN GULF OF MEXICO. WILL KEEP RAIN CHANCES
MAINLY ACROSS THE COASTAL SECTIONS BUT WITH TEMPS NEAR FREEZING
ACROSS THE NORTHERN AND WESTERN HALF OF THE CWA TUES
MORNING...THERE IS THE POTENTIAL FOR FREEZING RAIN/SLEET TO
DEVELOP IN ISOLATED AREAS WHERE THE FREEZING LINE AND THE LIGHT
STRATIFORM RAIN LINE COLLIDE AND MIX. WILL GO AHEAD AND MENTION A
SLIGHT CHANCE OF FREEZING RAIN ACROSS PORTIONS OF KENEDY COUNTY
AND STARR COUNTY BUT NORTHERN PORTIONS OF HIDALGO COUNTY AND
WESTERN RURAL PORTIONS OF WILLACY COUNTY COULD ALSO SEE FROZEN
PRECIPITATION.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#3186 Postby gboudx » Sat Jan 04, 2014 4:51 pm

WeatherGuesser wrote:
Portastorm wrote:Winter = cancel

:wink:



Meaning :?:


Meaning Ports was joking.

Maybe wxman57 wants to make a Bones sighting? :wink:
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#3187 Postby ThunderSleetDreams » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:08 pm

Look at that nice orange tag! Wooooo...

Now, as I understand it the temps are still busting up north. Could potentially see a 10-11 degree low in Montgomery county.... Amazing. I am off to Home Depot for some materials. My old stomping grounds in Columbus, OH will be frozen solid.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#3188 Postby wxman57 » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:28 pm

12Z GFS & Euro deterministic & ensembles still have 2m temp at IAH 25-26 Tuesday morning. MOS is 5-6 deg colder, however. I just don't see teens up around IAH. Maybe mid 20s. GFS still has the high center moving east of Houston by midnight Monday night, resulting in slight warm advection in the lower levels after midnight. It's hard for the temperature to fall with warm advection.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#3189 Postby ronyan » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:37 pm

wxman57 wrote:12Z GFS & Euro deterministic & ensembles still have 2m temp at IAH 25-26 Tuesday morning. MOS is 5-6 deg colder, however. I just don't see teens up around IAH. Maybe mid 20s. GFS still has the high center moving east of Houston by midnight Monday night, resulting in slight warm advection in the lower levels after midnight. It's hard for the temperature to fall with warm advection.


Thanks. Was wondering why I couldn't get the 2m low 20s I was looking for on the meteogram. All else being equal wouldn't pro mets tend to favor MOS temps over the 2m operational output?
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#3190 Postby Jarodm12 » Sat Jan 04, 2014 5:42 pm

anyone noticeing the rap laying down snow in north texas between 14 and 18 hours?
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#3191 Postby srainhoutx » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:21 pm

Jarodm12 wrote:anyone noticeing the rap laying down snow in north texas between 14 and 18 hours?


Some of the latest shorter range meso guidance (RAP/HRRR/SPC SREF ensemble mean) have suggested some possibility of wintry precip a bit further S near and just S of the Red River. That said it appears very light and doesn't last long.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#3192 Postby wxman57 » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:23 pm

Jarodm12 wrote:anyone noticeing the rap laying down snow in north texas between 14 and 18 hours?


I don't see it. I see precip along and ahead of the front in 14-18 hours but nothing in the cold air.
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#3193 Postby Rgv20 » Sat Jan 04, 2014 6:50 pm

Have not seen this forecast in a long long time!

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Monday: A slight chance of freezing rain and sleet before noon, then a chance of rain. Cloudy, with a high near 47. Calm wind becoming east southeast around 6 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation is 30%.
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#3194 Postby Portastorm » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:34 pm

Rgv20 wrote:Have not seen this forecast in a long long time!

http://i61.photobucket.com/albums/h62/cantu5977/Winter%202012-13/RGCforecastnight01-04-14_zps060f7755.png

Monday: A slight chance of freezing rain and sleet before noon, then a chance of rain. Cloudy, with a high near 47. Calm wind becoming east southeast around 6 mph in the afternoon. Chance of precipitation is 30%.


Good luck! Having even a little wintry mix deep in the Valley would put an exclamation point on the Texas winter season thus far. The actual "events" are very few but we all know that temperature-wise we are well below normal really since mid November.
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#3195 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:34 pm

I think Texas is going to be ok during the coming thaw. The rest of the country will do some melting while the great plains remains under influences of troughs and storms. Heights do rise in Alaska associated with +EPO/+AO in the mid term but there is still ridging in the gulf of Alaska and east coast to help out with PV in central Canada.
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#3196 Postby Ntxw » Sat Jan 04, 2014 7:40 pm

Portastorm wrote:I'm going to respectfully disagree. I think the Greenland block is pretty darn important in terms of "gumming up the works" and shutting down a progressive flow (like we have now). Yes, it could potentially create a ridge-trough pattern over the CONUS which keeps us west of the cold, stuck trough and in milder air. But that NE coast ridging you speak of can happen, ideally, when you have a Greenland block which retrogrades ... the mean trough position can be in place to continually dump cold air into Texas while keep an active jetstream/storm track in the vicinity. Don't forget it snowed in Amarillo this past spring (May 2013), courtesy of a Greenland block pattern.

Personally, I prefer a weakly positive PNA with negative AO/NAO. I think those setups end up great for us ... well, most of us. Not including Heat Miser and his minions. :roll:


Yes the NAO does clog up the pattern and can dam up cold for us, but that's not a bet I'm willing to take. Preferably a west based -NAO that moves over the Hudson is preferable over just plain Greenland block. As mentioned the very -NAO funnels cold over to Europe and we lose it with leftover cold dumped to the east coast underneath the trough associated. The May snowfall in Amarillo can also be attributed to the very -EPO that brought anomalous cold not only in May in June and July as well. That was the anomalous feature more impressive than the -NAO which began with the Pacific warm waters appearing in March and we saw the record blocking.

It's pretty simple for Texas, if you want cold you need the -EPO this winter proved it, if you don't have it just will be stormy and mild. If you recall most of last winter was dominated by -AO/-NAO but +EPO. But I agree, all three negative like in 2009/10 is the best.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#3197 Postby opticsguy » Sat Jan 04, 2014 8:21 pm

Speaking of -EPO, I was flying my plane up to Chicago the third Sunday in July, and at 6000 feet MSL it was -4C and commercial pilots were complaining about icing going through the cumulus clouds on approach to Springfield IL. That was the day after Chicago set a record low July high temp of 65F. It was April flying in late July.
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#3198 Postby Jarodm12 » Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:05 pm

Im gonna say it now and i could be wrong but i think east dallas and points to the east will see winter weather tonight. looking at all the model data they all show some precip falling in north texas however it will be light.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#3199 Postby srainhoutx » Sat Jan 04, 2014 9:45 pm

Worrisome to see a 1040mb Arctic high centered over the Hill Country at 00Z Monday night via the 00Z NAM/4km WRF. That would suggest winds going calm with ideal radiational cooling conditions with clear skies. Tuesday morning looks very cold across our Region.
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#3200 Postby Portastorm » Sat Jan 04, 2014 10:03 pm

Jarodm12 wrote:Im gonna say it now and i could be wrong but i think east dallas and points to the east will see winter weather tonight. looking at all the model data they all show some precip falling in north texas however it will be light.


I appreciate a bold forecast. Especially when the forecaster has made an effort to look at supporting data. Good luck, Jarodm12! Keep us posted on what's happening up there.
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