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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#481 Postby Portastorm » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:49 pm

Oh baby ... the afternoon forecast discussions out of Texas offices are coming out and let's just say that the collective tune is changing ... to a colder, icy one! :froze:

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EWX:
.LONG TERM (THURSDAY THROUGH TUESDAY)...
THE NEXT ARCTIC BLAST ARRIVES EARLY THURSDAY AND WILL PROVIDE
ANOTHER DAY OF RAPIDLY DESCENDING TEMPERATURES AND UNCERTAINTIES
ON MAX TEMPS FOR THE DAY. MODEL GUIDANCE TRENDS SUGGEST THE
NORTHERN HILL COUNTRY COULD DROP TO NEAR FREEZING BY EARLY IN THE
EVENING. NO WINTER MIX IS EXPECTED TO AFFECT THE AREA THROUGH
THURSDAY AFTERNOON...BUT THERE IS A CHANCE THAT THE SHALLOW AIR
MASS COULD PROMOTE FREEZING RAIN AS EARLY AS LATE THURSDAY
EVENING. IN A SIMILAR FASHION TO THE PAST WINTER WEATHER SYSTEM A
WEEK AGO. THERE WILL BE A PROLONGED PERIOD OF OVERRUNNING
INSTABILITY THAT IS EXPECTED TO PROVIDE A THREAT OF A MAINLY
FREEZING RAIN AND A LITTLE SLEET...WITH HIGHER PRECIPITATION
TOTALS EXPECTED TO FOCUS OVER THE NORTHEASTERN TWO-THIRDS OF SOUTH
CENTRAL TEXAS FROM LATE THURSDAY EVENING THROUGH FRIDAY AFTERNOON.
DYNAMICS ARE MUCH WEAKER...AND MOST OF THE RAINFALL AND FREEZING
RAINFALL RATES ARE EXPECTED TO BE LIGHT. HOWEVER...THIS SYSTEM
LOOKS TO BE COOLER AND THE LIGHT ICING THAT MAY DEVELOP HAS A
CHANCE TO AFFECT MORE AREAS. WITH UNCERTAINTIES IN TEMPERATURES
NOTED IN THE MODEL TRENDS...AND LOW AMOUNTS OF ICING EXPECTED...
WILL HOLD OFF ISSUING A WATCH AND KEEP WITH THE SPS. SOME
INCREASES IN SLEET POTENTIAL ARE ADDED IN THIS FORECAST PACKAGE
OVER THE WEEKEND AS MODEL SOUNDINGS SHOW A FREEZING LAYER DEPTH TO
4000 FT IN NORTHERN COUNTIES. THE SLEET COULD ENHANCE
ACCUMULATION POTENTIAL...BUT THE OVERRUNNING PATTERN SHOULD BE
WEAKER THAN WHAT IS TO BE EXPECTED ON FRIDAY.

A SECONDARY SURGE OF COLD AIR IS FORECAST FOR MONDAY TO PROLONG
THE COLD PERIOD. HOWEVER...THIS SURGE SHOULD BE FOLLOWED BY DRIER
AIR ALOFT AND A BROADER DIURNAL TEMPERATURE RANGE.

HGX:
WINTER WEATHER POTENTIAL...LETS JUST SAY THERE IS SUBSTANTIAL
UNCERTAINTY. RIGHT NOW THERE LOOKS TO BE THE POTENTIAL FOR
FREEZING RAIN/DRIZZLE FRIDAY INTO SATURDAY. MAIN AREAS WILL BE
FROM COLLEGE STATION TO HUNTSVILLE TO GROVETON NORTHWARD. COLD
AIRMASS GETS COLDER ON FRI AND WITH MOISTURE TRAPPED OVER THE
FRONTAL SURFACE...COULD LEAD TO RAIN/DRIZZLE. POSSIBLE THAT THESE
AREAS COULD BECOME COLD ENOUGH LATE FRIDAY TO SUPPORT FREEZING
RAIN/DRIZZLE. THE MORE LIKELY TIME FRAME APPEARS TO BE SATURDAY
MORNING. GFS HAS TRENDED COLDER WITH THE AIRMASS WITH TEMPS BELOW
FREEZING. ECMWF SEEMS TO BE JUST AS COLD BUT ENDS PRECIP FRI
NIGHT. ISENTROPIC LIFT IS EXPECTED TO INCREASE SATURDAY WITH THE
APPROACH OF THE NEXT JET STREAK. GFS RAMPS UP PRECIP SAT MORNING
AND THEN THROUGH THE AFTERNOON. ECMWF IS SLOWER TO DO SO AND HAS
MUCH DRIER AIR AT THE SURFACE WHICH WOULD HAVE TO SATURATE THROUGH
WET-BULB THERMODYNAMIC PROCESSES. SO IF THERE IS PRECIP FALLING
FROM 09Z-18Z SATURDAY...CHANCES ARE THERE WILL BE ENOUGH OF A SUB-
FREEZING LAYER NEAR THE SURFACE FOR PRECIP TO FREEZE. MODEL
SOUNDINGS SHOW A SIGNIFICANT WARM LAYER ABOVE WHICH MAY BE TOO
MUCH FOR PRECIP TO OVERCOME AND FREEZE. SOUNDINGS MAY SUPPORT MORE
DRIZZLE WHICH MAY NOT TAKE AS MUCH OF A SUB-FREEZING LAYER TO
CAUSE FREEZING. SO IF THE AIRMASS FRI NIGHT IS NOT AS DRY AS THE
ECMWF INDICATES THEN ANY PRECIP THAT DEVELOPS DUE TO ISENTROPIC
LIFT WILL LIKELY FALL AS FREEZING RAIN/DRIZZLE. STILL QUITE A BIT
OF UNCERTAINTY IN THIS BUT WORTH MONITORING.
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#482 Postby Tireman4 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:53 pm

Yeah Porta, they were so so about the whole thing even this morning... ( HGX) . What a turnaround...wow...
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#483 Postby Portastorm » Tue Dec 03, 2013 4:59 pm

I see the good folks at NWSFO LBB have hoisted Winter Storm Watches for part of their area. I have the West Texas field office of the PWC on alert and standing by for reports/photos.

Think it's time to check on the Grey Goose stock and ensure we have enough for the period ahead.

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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#484 Postby iorange55 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:06 pm

NWS DFW being very cautious...

Afternoon update:

THE ARCTIC FRONT WILL MOVE SOUTH OF THE RED RIVER WEDNESDAY
EVENING AND OUT OF THE SOUTHERN COUNTIES BY MIDDAY THURSDAY.
TEMPERATURES WILL FALL RAPIDLY BEHIND THE FRONT AS TEMPERATURES
UPSTREAM ARE IN THE LOW TEENS OVER WYOMING AND IN THE SINGLE
DIGITS IN CANADA.

PRECIPITATION WILL BE MOSTLY POST-FRONTAL THURSDAY NIGHT-FRIDAY
WITH MODERATE RAINFALL POSSIBLE ALONG A COMANCHE TO PARIS LINE
WHERE RICK ELEVATED MOISTURE MOVES OVER THE ELEVATED FRONTAL
BOUNDARY. THE RAIN WILL CHANGE TO FREEZING RAIN OVER THE
NORTHWEST COUNTIES THURSDAY EVENING AND PROGRESS SOUTHEASTWARD
WITH THE 32F ISOTHERM TO NEAR A SULPHUR SPRINGS TO GOLDTHWAITE
LINE ON FRIDAY. DUE TO UNCERTAINTY IN THE DEPTH OF THE COLD
AIR...WARM SOILS/STREETS...LATENT HEAT RELEASE OF RESIDUAL WATER
FROM RAINFALL AND THE STRENGTH OF THE WARM NOSE ALOFT...THE
LOCATION OF THE RAIN/FREEZING RAIN TRANSITION ZONE WAS HARD TO
DETERMINE... BUT CONFIDENCE WAS HIGH ENOUGH TO ISSUE A WATCH FOR
THE NORTHWEST COUNTIES WITH THIS PACKAGE. THE WATCH MAY BE PUSHED
FURTHER SOUTHEAST IF FUTURE MODEL RUNS PRODUCE HIGHER CONFIDENCE
THAT SIGNIFICANT ICE ACCUMULATIONS WILL OCCUR ELSEWHERE.

THERE WILL BE A LULL IN THE PRECIPITATION FRIDAY NIGHT AS THE
UPPER DISTURBANCE MOVES EAST OF THE REGION. ISENTROPIC UPGLIDE AND
ANOTHER UPPER DISTURBANCE WILL BRING PRECIPITATION BACK TO THE
REGION SATURDAY THROUGH SUNDAY. THIS PRECIPITATION WILL BE LIGHTER
THAN THE PREVIOUS ROUND...BUT WILL BE SLEET AND FREEZING RAIN
DURING THE OVERNIGHT HOURS...BUT GENERALLY LIQUID WHERE DAYTIME
TEMPS WARM ABOVE FREEZING.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#485 Postby Tejas89 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:22 pm

WARM NOSE ALOFT


Ah yes... our old friend from a couple weeks ago has entered the discussion as a "concern." Will Lucy be next? :lol:
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#486 Postby orangeblood » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:27 pm

Tejas89 wrote:
WARM NOSE ALOFT


Ah yes... our old friend from a couple weeks ago has entered the discussion as a "concern." Will Lucy be next? :lol:


Cold Air Advection will be much stronger this time around, makes the situation even more dangerous due to keeping precip all liquid that freezes on contact instead of sleet/snow
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#487 Postby dhweather » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:31 pm

Yeah, after getting burned issuing a winter storm warning for a cold rain, they are going to play it really close this time.

In other news, ironically, crews were trimming trees along the power lines not far from my house today. So that practically guarantees nothing will happen now.
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#488 Postby gboudx » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:32 pm

Hmmm....think I'll wait before visiting the grocery store for supplies. Still have a couple days anyway.
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#489 Postby funster » Tue Dec 03, 2013 5:40 pm

This ice storm threat seems more ominous than the last one. Severe cold and no power are not a fun match. Would prefer some nice fluffy snow to look at while drinking hot chocolate inside :--)
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#490 Postby HockeyTx82 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:10 pm

Was that loud hissing sound I just heard all of the excitement leaving this thread? Perhaps I am reading to much into it.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#491 Postby katheria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:14 pm

:uarrow:

Yep i think so..........

that ugly word " Warm Nose" did it all.....
:blowup:
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#492 Postby Portastorm » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:17 pm

HockeyTx82 wrote:Was that loud hissing sound I just heard all of the excitement leaving this thread? Perhaps I am reading to much into it.


Hey ... what do you want from me?! I don't know how many times I can post saying "DFW's gonna get it." So, I'm done for now. Most here probably think I'm snow-graupel-sleet-ice pellet-freezing rain happy with my amateur forecast thoughts, but I really do try and be realistic. You didn't see me forecasting a snow-pacalypse two weekends ago for DFW or even ice for Austin. But listen, I'm telling you ... DFW's gonna get it! :wink:

Also HockeyTx82, I have noticed over the years that between the hours of 4-7 p.m. this board quiets down a lot. I suspect it has to do with folks going home and/or eating dinner.

Those who are blowing off this "event" now are making a big mistake. My two pesos.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#493 Postby orangeblood » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:20 pm

HPC now has moderate risk of high impact ice storm across a big area of north Texas for Thursday Night/Friday Morning

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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#494 Postby iorange55 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:24 pm

This event is different than the Thanksgiving event. Temps will be colder this time around.

And this is coming from someone who is not really thrilled about having an ice storm.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#495 Postby katheria » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:24 pm

well either way im always prepared at home :)

i never have to do those last min grocery store runs :)


good i wont have to go to work then
ill just tell them portastorm said so :roll: :cheesy:
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#496 Postby CYCLONE MIKE » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:26 pm

Hockeytx82,
Its nothing any different from hurricane season. Some models show a major storm threatening the gulf coast 7 days out, gets the board into a frenzy, then 4 days later poof its gone and all that develops is an invest :lol: And 3\4 of the board goes back into watching mode. Pretty much what I'm saying is a lot people have been burned my models many times, including two weeks ago, and now they are I will believe it when I see it personalities :D
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#497 Postby Portastorm » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:29 pm

katheria wrote:well either way im always prepared at home :)

i never have to do those last min grocery store runs :)


good i wont have to go to work then
ill just tell them portastorm said so :roll: :cheesy:


:lol: Yeah, good luck with that. It doesn't even work with MY boss ... and my boss is weather-savvy. He even knows what "fropa" means!
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#498 Postby Portastorm » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:39 pm

CYCLONE MIKE wrote:Hockeytx82,
Its nothing any different from hurricane season. Some models show a major storm threatening the gulf coast 7 days out, gets the board into a frenzy, then 4 days later poof its gone and all that develops is an invest :lol: And 3\4 of the board goes back into watching mode. Pretty much what I'm saying is a lot people have been burned my models many times, including two weeks ago, and now they are I will believe it when I see it personalities :D


I think CYCLONE MIKE is probably, for the most part, correct. And that's a real shame to me. No, not CM being correct :lol: but that folks take the attitude of "I'll believe it when I see it." This board is for weather fans. We discuss current weather, past weather, ponder future weather ... and opine about, learn from, and share with others about all of the existing tools which are in the weather game. People should always understand that weather remains somewhat unpredictable despite the many amazing advancements in science. Sure, we've all had our hearts broken a lot more than we have experiencing weather joy. It's no different than being a sports fan, really. But that is what should make this all the more fun. I think we're here to discuss the possibilities of what MAY occur and what we think MIGHT occur as much if not more so than what DOES occur.

But as Mike said, many here are in a watch-and-wait mode and I'm pretty sure that if it looks like a weather event is going to happen, this board will light up like a Christmas tree once again.

Remember, you all are the ones who can make this forum a lot of fun or a lame online exercise. It's not about us mods or admins.
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#499 Postby ludosc » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:40 pm

All I want is to be off work on Friday. We run off of FWISD's schedule so if they're closed, we're closed. The draw for the FIFA World Cup is Friday morning and i'd like to be home to watch it. Of course with my luck we'll either A) have to work or B) be off but lose power...
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Re: Texas Winter 2013-2014

#500 Postby wxman57 » Tue Dec 03, 2013 6:42 pm

ludosc wrote:All I want is to be off work on Friday. We run off of FWISD's schedule so if they're closed, we're closed. The draw for the FIFA World Cup is Friday morning and i'd like to be home to watch it. Of course with my luck we'll either A) have to work or B) be off but lose power...


I'd say 90% chance of schools being closed.
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