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#1301 Postby dhweather » Mon Nov 25, 2013 10:29 am

Big O wrote:Joe B stated this morning that yesterday's number one analog was December 21, 1983. For those that don't remember, this was a historic Arctic outbreak for Texas. He goes on to show European ensemble 10-15 day, and its upper air pattern is remarkably similar to this analog. Finally, he says that he has informed his clients about the potential for a "huge Arctic outbreak." The key is the anomalously strong ridging in Alaska. For those who feel down because of the lack of wintry precipitation with the current system, do not despair; their is increasing "chatter" (term taken from Srain) of a significant Arctic intrusion beginning on or around December 5, and my thinking is that it could last at least a week, with an undercutting jet stream possibly injecting "moisture" into the potentially frigid air mass. :cold: :wink:

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Go ahead and count this as a bust then, the Joe B kiss of death! :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:



As for this event, I am in WXMAN57's camp, if it's gonna be this freaking cold, it BETTER snow. Well, it didn't, but I am thankful for the half inch of rain we got, every little bit helps. 34 in heath.
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#1302 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:20 pm

More showers coming in from Mexico, just south of SA, headed towards the Houston area. Just waiting on the ULL now.....
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#1303 Postby Tireman4 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:23 pm

39 and chilly and raining at the Gulfgate area in Houston. :)
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#1304 Postby vbhoutex » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:27 pm

38f, COLD! and raining in the Spring Branch area of W Houston.
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Re: Texas Fall 2013

#1305 Postby aggiecutter » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:34 pm

My power just came back on after being out for the last 3 hours. There is significant icing on the power lines and trees in the Texarkana area. Currently, it is 32 degrees with light freezing rain falling. Looking at the radar, this should continue for the next hour or two.
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#1306 Postby Portastorm » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:36 pm

:uarrow:

Be safe and I hope you stay in the "power on" mode, aggiecutter. Your friend Joe Bastardi says more winter coming for you in the days ahead!

Meanwhile, we have 38 raw and cold degrees at the Portastorm Weather Center ... with sporadic showers.

With similar weather in H-town, methinks wxman57 will not be biking today. :wink:
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#1307 Postby iorange55 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:37 pm

aggiecutter wrote:My power just came back on after being out for the last 3 hours. There is significant icing on the power lines and trees in the Texarkana area. Currently, it is 32 degrees with light freezing rain falling. Looking at the radar, this should continue for the next hour or two.


That's exactly why I am glad this was a "bust" for the Metroplex. I can't do my work if my house is without power!

Stay safe up there.
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#1308 Postby Tireman4 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:40 pm

Portastorm wrote::uarrow:

Be safe and I hope you stay in the "power on" mode, aggiecutter. Your friend Joe Bastardi says more winter coming for you in the days ahead!

Meanwhile, we have 38 raw and cold degrees at the Portastorm Weather Center ... with sporadic showers.

With similar weather in H-town, methinks wxman57 will not be biking today. :wink:


Nope. He works down the road from me. Not happening. LOL. He he he. I will, however, be running. :)
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#1309 Postby jerryh421 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:41 pm

From Travis Herzog at abc13 in houston.
"Sorry kids - and kids at heart - it's just too warm for snow in Houston. But I'll leave the door open for a winter miracle...read on. There will be a brief window of opportunity Tuesday morning for a wintry mix north of Houston, but with only limited moisture to work with, accumulations of anything frozen are not likely. So while we can't rule wintry precip mixing with the rain, I'm doubtful anything would stick. With that said, these strong upper lows pack enough cold air to surprise us from time to time like one did on December 10th, 2008... Check out the snow photos from that day here: http://abc13.co/2008snow"
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Re: Texas Fall 2013

#1310 Postby Portastorm » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:56 pm

SPECIAL MODERATOR NOTICE

We appreciate everyone keeping their comments/posts about this current weather event in the Texas Fall thread, despite the nature of the weather being (for us in Texas, at least) wintery! So let's do this ... after we conclude this current week and Thanksgiving holiday weekend, we'll move it on over to the Texas Winter 2013 thread.

Sound good? I'll re-post this note later this week.

Thanks everyone.
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#1311 Postby TeamPlayersBlue » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:57 pm

I remember that event very, well. It came out of NOWHERE. Was not predicted at all if i remember correctly
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Re: Texas Fall 2013

#1312 Postby JDawg512 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 12:59 pm

Can anyone explain to me exactly how and why the Climate Prediction Center's winter forecast for Texas is completely opposite to what models and other information we have seen? I don't buy their warmer and drier outlook for Texas but maybe someone here that has a better grasp of long term changes can fill me in.
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#1313 Postby Kelarie » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:27 pm

Texarkana - Well electricity just came back on at work after being off for two hours. Trees and power lines have ice hanging from them.
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Re: Texas Fall 2013

#1314 Postby Kalrany » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:42 pm

Rain has paused here in Galveston. Light drizzel with wind. Temp 43deg C with no break in the clouds currently visible.

We would love to see some snow, but almost never do (esp. here on the island). Not even asking for accumulation.... :)
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#1315 Postby Tireman4 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:46 pm

From HGX AFD:


DISCUSSION...
AREA RADAR SHOWING ONE BAND OF RAIN PASSING THROUGH SE TX THIS
MORNING. T/TD ARE JUST ENOUGH ABOVE FREEZING THAT PRECIPITATION
SHOULD FALL AS RAIN. IF THERE ARE ANY INTENSE POCKETS OF
PRECIPITATION...POSSIBLE THAT A LITTLE BIT OF SLEET MAY MIX IN
WITH THE RAIN. AT THIS POINT...EXPECT RAIN BANDS TO DEVELOP AND
MOVE OVER THE REGION OVER THE NEXT 12 HRS AND HOLD TEMPS IN THE
UPPER 30S TO LOW 40S FOR MUCH OF THE DAY.

WATER VAPOR IMAGERY AND UPPER LEVEL ANALYSIS SHOW UPPER LOW MOVING
OVER TX/OK PANHANDLE. THERE IS A TRAILING VORTICITY MAX BACK OVER
THE DESERT SW. THIS FEATURE SHOULD CONTINUE TO SWING ACROSS MEXICO
TODAY/TONIGHT ALLOWING THE MAIN UPPER LOW TO DROP SOUTH OVER W TX
AND THEN ACROSS C TX BY 12Z TUE. DURING THE DAY TODAY...STRONG
UPPER LEVEL JET WILL MOVE INTO THE AREA WITH INCREASING DIVERGENCE
ALOFT. ALSO EXPECT LARGE OMEGA TO SPREAD OVER THE REGION IN
RESPONSE TO THE UPPER LEVEL LOW DROPPING INTO C TX. EXPECT
ISENTROPIC LIFT TO INCREASE ALONG WITH FRONTOGENETIC FORCING NEAR
850MB. WILL CONTINUE WITH HIGH RAIN CHANCES TODAY AND STILL THINK
SOLID 1-2 INCHES OF RAIN CAN BE EXPECTED ACROSS THE WHOLE AREA.
SOME OF THE STRONGER BANDS OF PRECIP COULD PRODUCE SOME HIGHER
TOTALS. OVERALL THE SCENARIO FOR TODAY HAS NOT CHANGED WITH ANY OF
THE SYNOPTIC MODELS OR HI RES MESOSCALE MODELS.

TUESDAY FORECAST REMAINS TRICKY ALTHOUGH THINK TEMP PROFILES IN
THE LOWER ATMOSPHERE WILL CONTINUE TO SUPPORT RAIN. UPPER LEVEL
LOW IS STILL EXPECTED TO TRACK OVER THE FORECAST AREA MAINLY
BETWEEN 12-18Z TUE. THERE IS EXPECTED TO BE LARGE UPWARD VERTICAL
MOTION ASSOCIATED WITH THE UPPER LOW RESULTING IN LARGE OMEGA. THE
MAIN QUESTION FOR PRECIPITATION TUESDAY WILL BE HOW QUICKLY THE
MOISTURE DECREASES WITH PASSAGE OF COLD FRONT WRAPPING AROUND THE
SFC LOW MOVING ALONG THE GULF COAST. IT SEEMS THAT THE FORCING AND
MOISTURE MAY BE JUST ENOUGH OUT OF PHASE TO ONLY REALLY GET RAIN
TO FALL. GFS/ECMWF SEEM TO HOLD ONTO JUST ENOUGH MOISTURE TO
WARRANT A MENTION OF SLEET FOR SOME OF THE NORTHERN COUNTIES BUT
REALLY THINK MAIN PRECIP WILL BE RAIN. WHILE SNOW/SLEET/RAIN MIX
MAY BE POSSIBLE IF LIFT/MOISTURE/TEMP PROFILES COME INTO BETTER
ALIGNMENT...THERE IS ONLY A SMALL TIME FRAME FOR THIS TO HAPPEN
TUE MORNING. IF WINTER PRECIP DOES OCCUR...DO NOT THINK THERE WILL
BE ANY ACCUMULATION.

HIGH PRESSURE WILL CONTINUE TO BUILD INTO THE PLAINS AND TX ON
WED INTO THUR. EXPECT THERE TO BE MAINLY CLEAR SKIES AND WINDS
SHOULD DECOUPLE THUR MORNING TO MAKE FOR A COLD START TO
THANKSGIVING DAY. LIKELY HAVE TEMPS IN THE LOW/MID 20S NORTHEAST
OF HOUSTON. UPPER 20S WILL BE COMMON FOR MOST AREAS AND 30S ALONG
THE COAST. WE WILL LIKELY NEED TO LOOK AT FREEZE WATCH/WARNINGS
FOR AREAS THAT HAVE NOT OBSERVED A FREEZE YET.

OVERALL GOING INTO THE WEEKEND IT LOOKS LIKE A FAIRLY QUIET
WEATHER PATTERN. RETURN FLOW DOES SET UP SUN/MON NEXT WEEK SO MAY
GET A SHOWER OR TWO TO DEVELOP. TEMPS FOR THE WEEKEND SHOULD CLIMB
BACK TO NORMAL OR EVEN A COUPLE DEGREES ABOVE NORMAL AFTER HAVING
TEMPS SOME 15 DEGREES BELOW NORMAL.




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Re: Texas Fall 2013

#1316 Postby wxman57 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 1:52 pm

JDawg512 wrote:Can anyone explain to me exactly how and why the Climate Prediction Center's winter forecast for Texas is completely opposite to what models and other information we have seen? I don't buy their warmer and drier outlook for Texas but maybe someone here that has a better grasp of long term changes can fill me in.


I had nothing to do with that outlook, really! It's pretty cold out there for being only fall. Could the current pattern be indicative of the months to come, when the airmasses are much colder?
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#1317 Postby richtrav » Mon Nov 25, 2013 2:29 pm

Big O wrote:Joe B stated this morning that yesterday's number one analog was December 21, 1983. For those that don't remember, this was a historic Arctic outbreak for Texas. He goes on to show European ensemble 10-15 day, and its upper air pattern is remarkably similar to this analog. Finally, he says that he has informed his clients about the potential for a "huge Arctic outbreak." The key is the anomalously strong ridging in Alaska. For those who feel down because of the lack of wintry precipitation with the current system, do not despair; their is increasing "chatter" (term taken from Srain) of a significant Arctic intrusion beginning on or around December 5, and my thinking is that it could last at least a week, with an undercutting jet stream possibly injecting "moisture" into the potentially frigid air mass. :cold: :wink:


The GFS has been wanting to push a pretty strong cold front somewhere into the US around Dec 4-7 the past several days, it just keeps trending westward with each run.
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#1318 Postby orangeblood » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:29 pm

Well surprisingly the GFS dominated this event, picking up on the warm nose above the surface during the duration of the event and never budged on keeping most precip of the liquid variety. Kudos to the US model

Now onto the next potential Siberian Cold Outbreak, looking at the 500 mb patterns on both the US and European models....it appears our next cold snap will originate from Northeastern Siberia and begin its trek over to North America over the next few days. Temperatures in this part of the world are currently the coldest in the entire globe. Siberian air of this variety, if it were to make it down into the US, could overwhelm the pattern and set the stage for a brutally cold December outbreak. Stay tuned, this could be a very interesting December

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#1319 Postby Jarodm12 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:33 pm

any concern the ull might bring us some snow?
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#1320 Postby wxman57 » Mon Nov 25, 2013 3:56 pm

Jarodm12 wrote:any concern the ull might bring us some snow?


If you put your approximate location in your profile then we could tell what city you're in and answer your question.
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