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#321 Postby Tireman4 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 2:23 pm

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#322 Postby weatherdude1108 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:46 pm

Love it Ntxw! May not be good weather for swimming, but it reduces evaporation rates! :cheesy: Now we just need tropical storms in the right places. It's always something that's needed it seems! That's Texas weather for you. :cheesy: :wink:
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#323 Postby Rgv20 » Mon Apr 29, 2013 3:55 pm

Ntxw wrote:Nice warm days the next few. Then the bottom falls and we go back to winter! And then guess what? You got it, long range models suggest yet ANOTHER unusually late strong cold front. Rinse and repeat the second winter.

The persistent warm pool in the central Pacific better of the last 2 years has made a new home off the west coast. This persistent area has created a semi-permanent high pressure dome over the EPAC for weeks, thus our chill. No signs of it breaking down anytime soon.

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Why couldn't we have this kind of pattern during winter!!! :lol: Ohh well there is always next winter! :)
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Re: Texas Spring 2013

#324 Postby cctxhurricanewatcher » Tue Apr 30, 2013 8:19 am

I am happy to report that I finally got into the rain action. 2.75 of rain hit my side of Corpus Christi last night! :ggreen: :ggreen:
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#325 Postby SaskatchewanScreamer » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:46 am

Rgv20 wrote:
Ntxw wrote:Nice warm days the next few. Then the bottom falls and we go back to winter! And then guess what? You got it, long range models suggest yet ANOTHER unusually late strong cold front. Rinse and repeat the second winter.

The persistent warm pool in the central Pacific better of the last 2 years has made a new home off the west coast. This persistent area has created a semi-permanent high pressure dome over the EPAC for weeks, thus our chill. No signs of it breaking down anytime soon.

[img]http://i39.tinypic.com/axbmt.gif

[img]http://i43.tinypic.com/2cbqrq.png


Why couldn't we have this kind of pattern during winter!!! :lol: Ohh well there is always next winter! :)


:blowup: :P
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Re: Texas Spring 2013

#326 Postby Portastorm » Tue Apr 30, 2013 1:01 pm

Well, it looks like this April will go down as one of the coldest Aprils in recorded weather history for many parts of Texas. What an amazing month it has been with very strong cold fronts plowing through the state every 4-5 days. We have another one coming in a day or two.

Makes me wonder how this will impact the summer weather. While we haven't had ample rainfall, we have seen many areas get normal rainfall or slightly above normal. Soil temps have to be cooler and wetter than the last few springs. Will this help moderate this summer's heat? Any ideas?

And yeah, as others have opined, I only wish we could have seen this pattern back in January and February but if it means a more reasonable summer, I won't complain.
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#327 Postby Ntxw » Tue Apr 30, 2013 2:42 pm

Portastorm wrote:Makes me wonder how this will impact the summer weather. While we haven't had ample rainfall, we have seen many areas get normal rainfall or slightly above normal. Soil temps have to be cooler and wetter than the last few springs. Will this help moderate this summer's heat? Any ideas?


No scientific study from me, but I find the results much the same as warm gulf = active severe spring idea. Green and soil moisture probably will prevent the streaks of furnace, instead just on and off heat is my bet.

Other news, another amazing feat from our great state. Forecast for Amarillo the next 24-36 hours.

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This Afternoon: Mostly sunny, with a high near 94. South wind around 10 mph.

Wednesday Night: A slight chance of rain before 1am, then a slight chance of rain and snow between 1am and 4am, then a slight chance of snow after 4am. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 31. Windy, with a north wind 25 to 30 mph, with gusts as high as 45 mph. Chance of precipitation is 20%.
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#328 Postby Cyclenall » Tue Apr 30, 2013 3:31 pm

Ntxw wrote:Nice warm days the next few. Then the bottom falls and we go back to winter! And then guess what? You got it, long range models suggest yet ANOTHER unusually late strong cold front. Rinse and repeat the second winter.

The persistent warm pool in the central Pacific better of the last 2 years has made a new home off the west coast. This persistent area has created a semi-permanent high pressure dome over the EPAC for weeks, thus our chill. No signs of it breaking down anytime soon.

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Thank God the Great Lakes are above average in those graphics (or normal), I couldn't handle anything else. Its frightening looking at whats happening in the Dakotas and plains right now, horrible pattern. The most unsatisfying part of it (the powerful cold fronts) is no appreciable severe weather is brought forth. Hopefully the death ridge chooses my backyard this summer while everyone else on here who is sick of it can get the colder stuff (sorry to anyone who isn't in the GLs who loves warmth!). My prediction of the bulk of the warmth starting on May 1st appears to be on cue (1 or 2 days off).

I keep getting this feeling of this pattern and the events on land signaling a very active hurricane season in general, I just keep seeing similar conditions months beforehand of the worst ones occurring now for us (NA weather). I'm not talking about tropical signals like SSTs but just general patterns for landmass (of course the weather is all connected but cold conditions in x place usually means nothing for the tropics, for example). Anyone else feeling it?

Other news, another amazing feat from our great state. Forecast for Amarillo the next 24-36 hours.

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This Afternoon: Mostly sunny, with a high near 94. South wind around 10 mph.

Wednesday Night: A slight chance of rain before 1am, then a slight chance of rain and snow between 1am and 4am, then a slight chance of snow after 4am. Mostly cloudy, with a low around 31. Windy, with a north wind 25 to 30 mph, with gusts as high as 45 mph. Chance of precipitation is 20%.

Insane, something like that would never happen around my neck of the woods unless it was 1816 or something. When was the last time TX was setting record lows like this?
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#329 Postby Ntxw » Tue Apr 30, 2013 4:58 pm

Cyclenall wrote:Insane, something like that would never happen around my neck of the woods unless it was 1816 or something. When was the last time TX was setting record lows like this?


On a consistent basis I think the late 70s had some chilly springs. Before that, some of the records broken of late at DFW stood since the early 1900s. We've persistently had warmer than average springs for many many years since the mid 1990s and record lows during that period have been hard to come by especially in the urban heat islands which is expected to break the records end of this week even there, that's what makes it impressive for May. Typically these cool downs are associated with persistent rains that keep temperatures below average not the case here, true cold air masses.
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#330 Postby vbhoutex » Tue Apr 30, 2013 9:07 pm

Ntxw wrote:
Cyclenall wrote:Insane, something like that would never happen around my neck of the woods unless it was 1816 or something. When was the last time TX was setting record lows like this?


On a consistent basis I think the late 70s had some chilly springs. Before that, some of the records broken of late at DFW stood since the early 1900s. We've persistently had warmer than average springs for many many years since the mid 1990s and record lows during that period have been hard to come by especially in the urban heat islands which is expected to break the records end of this week even there, that's what makes it impressive for May. Typically these cool downs are associated with persistent rains that keep temperatures below average not the case here, true cold air masses.

I've been in Houston for 44 years. I don't remember a whole lot about the weather in the early 70s except that the Winters were cold. I think the Springs were definitely cooler than those we have become used to over the last few decades. This Spring is definitely cooler and strange compared to the last 15 years or so. Normally we are banging on 90s for highs by now with lows never getting below 60. In Houston we are expecting record lows Friday and Saturday in the low to mid 40s.
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#331 Postby weatherdude1108 » Tue Apr 30, 2013 10:49 pm

Shall we open back up the Winter thread? :D :cold: Very bizarre going into May. I'm not complaining. Bob Rose blurbed about it.

"But the big news with this cold front will be the unusually cold temperatures for early May. In fact, this is shaping up to be a record cold event for the Plains states, including much of Texas. Many locations locally are forecast to set all time record low temperatures. Some locations may even record their coldest readings ever for the month of May."

http://www.lcra.org/water/conditions/we ... olumn.html
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#332 Postby Ptarmigan » Tue Apr 30, 2013 11:04 pm

vbhoutex wrote:
Ntxw wrote:
Cyclenall wrote:Insane, something like that would never happen around my neck of the woods unless it was 1816 or something. When was the last time TX was setting record lows like this?


On a consistent basis I think the late 70s had some chilly springs. Before that, some of the records broken of late at DFW stood since the early 1900s. We've persistently had warmer than average springs for many many years since the mid 1990s and record lows during that period have been hard to come by especially in the urban heat islands which is expected to break the records end of this week even there, that's what makes it impressive for May. Typically these cool downs are associated with persistent rains that keep temperatures below average not the case here, true cold air masses.

I've been in Houston for 44 years. I don't remember a whole lot about the weather in the early 70s except that the Winters were cold. I think the Springs were definitely cooler than those we have become used to over the last few decades. This Spring is definitely cooler and strange compared to the last 15 years or so. Normally we are banging on 90s for highs by now with lows never getting below 60. In Houston we are expecting record lows Friday and Saturday in the low to mid 40s.


Coolest Spring For Upper Texas Coast
1.) 1931 63.8°F
2.) 1915 65.9°F
3.) 1926 65.97°F
4.) 1983 66.13°F
5.) 1969 66.57°F
6.) 1952 66.93°F
7.) 1993 66.97°F
8.) 1924/1960 67.03°F
9.) 1937/1970 67.13°F
10.) 1932 67.17°F

http://www7.ncdc.noaa.gov/CDO/CDODivisionalSelect.jsp
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#333 Postby weatherdude1108 » Wed May 01, 2013 1:02 pm

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#334 Postby Ntxw » Wed May 01, 2013 1:12 pm

NAM is a little crazy giving the NW half of north Texas into the 20s and DFW very deep into the 30s which would be near all time record lows for May. Areas of the panhandle into the teens! Very near to 40 in central and southeast Texas. Of course it is the NAM (however it has shown superiority to the other models regarding strong cold fronts). GFS and Euro are about 2-5 degrees warmer, though the latest GFS is just about mid 30s. I reiterate, our sun angle is equivalent to that in August...

With strong winds behind the front and temps dropping like mad it will definitely feel like 20s and 30s.
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#335 Postby Cyclenall » Wed May 01, 2013 5:55 pm

Ntxw wrote:NAM is a little crazy giving the NW half of north Texas into the 20s and DFW very deep into the 30s which would be near all time record lows for May. Areas of the panhandle into the teens! Very near to 40 in central and southeast Texas. Of course it is the NAM (however it has shown superiority to the other models regarding strong cold fronts). GFS and Euro are about 2-5 degrees warmer, though the latest GFS is just about mid 30s. I reiterate, our sun angle is equivalent to that in August...

With strong winds behind the front and temps dropping like mad it will definitely feel like 20s and 30s.

Enjoy the winter conditions in TX while here in "cold" Canada in southern Ontario we're enjoying 26ºC (79ºF or feeling like 80ºF)!!!! :eek: :lol:

You keep saying the bolded part about the sun angle, equivalent to that in August where? If your talking about the same location than its not as impressive as August getting these type of temps. because there is always a delay with the warm-up despite the sun angle. If the sun angle dictated the temps. June 21 should be on average the hottest day. I'm sure you already know all this but I'm clarifying it.

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That has to be the weirdest 500 mb map I've seen of this type. Its the Euro 12z run from today, 96 hours out. There is a nice bowling ball rolling through the mid-east US while a cocoon of fading warmth surrounds me.

wxman57 hasn't appeared in a while, must be so fed up that he is considering going back to Norway where the temps. will be nearly the same or maybe higher.
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#336 Postby horselattitudesfarm » Wed May 01, 2013 11:10 pm

Interesting how the low over in Louisiana is killing our rain chances here in the Dallas area. The NWS forecast discussion talks about it here:


FURTHER EAST...STABILIZATION WEST OF THE UPPER LOW AND COOLING OF
THE BOUNDARY LAYER SHOULD CONTINUE TO CAP THESE AREAS IN ADVANCE
OF THE STRONG COLD FRONT THROUGH SUNRISE THURSDAY MORNING. HAVE
LEFT THE LOW CHANCES FOR SHOWERS AND A FEW THUNDERSTORMS BUT AM
STARTING TO HAVE MY DOUBTS THAT THE EASTERN TWO-THIRDS OF NORTH
TEXAS WILL SEE MUCH OF ANYTHING WITH THE FRONTAL PASSAGE. THESE
RAIN CHANCES MAY BE DIMINISHED ON THE NEXT UPDATE JUST BEFORE
MIDNIGHT.

This will make the second missed opportunity for missed rain from a possible big rain maker. The first missed opportunity was because the cap was too strong. Lets hope the rest of May will live up to its reputation of being the wettest month of the year here. Methinks we will go into Stage 3 water rationing here sooner rather than later :(
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#337 Postby weatherdude1108 » Thu May 02, 2013 6:21 am

horselattitudesfarm wrote:Interesting how the low over in Louisiana is killing our rain chances here in the Dallas area. The NWS forecast discussion talks about it here:


FURTHER EAST...STABILIZATION WEST OF THE UPPER LOW AND COOLING OF
THE BOUNDARY LAYER SHOULD CONTINUE TO CAP THESE AREAS IN ADVANCE
OF THE STRONG COLD FRONT THROUGH SUNRISE THURSDAY MORNING. HAVE
LEFT THE LOW CHANCES FOR SHOWERS AND A FEW THUNDERSTORMS BUT AM
STARTING TO HAVE MY DOUBTS THAT THE EASTERN TWO-THIRDS OF NORTH
TEXAS WILL SEE MUCH OF ANYTHING WITH THE FRONTAL PASSAGE. THESE
RAIN CHANCES MAY BE DIMINISHED ON THE NEXT UPDATE JUST BEFORE
MIDNIGHT.

This will make the second missed opportunity for missed rain from a possible big rain maker. The first missed opportunity was because the cap was too strong. Lets hope the rest of May will live up to its reputation of being the wettest month of the year here. Methinks we will go into Stage 3 water rationing here sooner rather than later :(


In my case, the rain was all around us earlier this week. We got the rain-cooled AIR only. We have received ZILCHO from this current system at the Weatherdude Center. :(
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#338 Postby Ntxw » Thu May 02, 2013 7:24 am

Front is through DFW and the wind is picking up steam...it feels cold in the upper 40s right now. Will be a weird, cold Rangers game this evening, brrr.
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#339 Postby horselattitudesfarm » Thu May 02, 2013 7:29 am

Ntxw wrote:Front is through DFW and the wind is picking up steam...it feels cold in the upper 40s right now. Will be a weird, cold Rangers game this evening, brrr.

They're gonna have to hit the ball harder to get homers :wink: 8-)
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#340 Postby weatherdude1108 » Thu May 02, 2013 7:59 am

Front moved through my area around 6:30am. Noticeable drop in temps. :cold: :D No rain though. :cry: They're saying 45mph gusts today. We'll see.

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