ATL: ISAAC - Post-Tropical - Discussion

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[Janie2006]

But also it puts the rescue teams that have to go out in this at risk for injury and death themselves to have try and save these people who refuse to listen and adhere to gov't officials. If they would have to start having to pay back for the rescue efforts or fined then maybe next time they will listen better.

Slightly OT, but that reminds me of a conversation we had on this very board. One of our members worked for the Jackson County (MS) dispatch office, and when Katrina came in they were deluged by frantic calls for help......and people died because there was no. way. to. reach. them.

Evacuation orders exist for a reason, and it isn't to make people spend money and have them take joyrides across the state.

[gwynne]

MAN!

Just sitting here bawling! Just saw the most heart wrenching interview with a woman that was just rescued off the roof of a house in Blaithwaite, Plaquemines parish. They had been up there since before dawn. She told the reporter what happened then gave the her name and the name of her son and daughter in law who were still out there waiting to be rescued.

Yes sad but if people just complied with the MANDATORY evacuations then they would not be in this grave situation. I do feel for them though and I am glad we have heroes to rescue them. I hope no lives will be lost. I know it sucks to evacuate since I live on the WEST coast of FL near Tampa and have had to do it many times in the last 35 years only for naught. We always seem to get bypassed fortunately but it has really made people extremely complacent. Godspeed!

But also it puts the rescue teams that have to go out in this at risk for injury and death themselves to have try and save these people who refuse to listen and adhere to gov't officials. If they would have to start having to pay back for the rescue efforts or fined then maybe next time they will listen better.

I don't know what the answer is-how do you get people to understand that predicting tropical weather is an inexact science. Their unwise decisions can put them, their children, and their potential rescuers lives all at risk.
FWIW, I lived on a tropical island a few years. Believe me, had we had the opportunity to evacuate a few times, (Paka for one) we would have. I don't understand those who can leave, but decide they can't be bothered to evacuate.

[summersquall]

"Just after midnight on Aug. 28, the Visible Infrared Imaging Radiometer Suite on the Suomi-NPP satellite captured this nighttime view of Isaac and the cities near the Gulf Coast. The VIIRS “day-night band,” detects light in a range of wavelengths from green to near-infrared and uses light intensification to enable the detection of dim signals. In this case, the clouds of Isaac were lit by moonlight.
http://photoblog.nbcnews.com/_news/2012 ... -isaac?lit

My thoughts are with everyone weathering Isaac.

[gboudx]

But also it puts the rescue teams that have to go out in this at risk for injury and death themselves to have try and save these people who refuse to listen and adhere to gov't officials. If they would have to start having to pay back for the rescue efforts or fined then maybe next time they will listen better.

Slightly OT, but that reminds me of a conversation we had on this very board. One of our members worked for the Jackson County (MS) dispatch office, and when Katrina came in they were deluged by frantic calls for help......and people died because there was no. way. to. reach. them.

Evacuation orders exist for a reason, and it isn't to make people spend money and have them take joyrides across the state.

I propose that if anyone needs rescuing after ignoring a mandatory evacuation order, they are required to pay a "Rescue Fee" that is paid directly to the brave souls who rescue them.

[GCANE]

Issac from Space Station

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=pl ... QYrEEcgEJw

[pledger28]

It will probably not be a popular opinion but I believe that after evacuation orders are issued, if people do not obey the order they should be aware that they are taking THEIR life in their hand. If they knew up front that if they were to realize they made the wrong decision they would be stuck. If the government would simply make it clear that if you stay you are on your own, maybe people would start obeying evac orders. Not trying to be heartless but at some point people should take responsibility for their own bad decisions. No one should have to risk their life to save someone else from their own stupidity.

[thatwhichisnt]

When is this thing going to turn west? Looks almost due north now.

[Janie2006]

^^ Yah, see, I'll go along with that. There are situations in which the authorities *do* know best, and if you place others in danger due to ignorance of evacuation orders then there should be some kind of penalty for that.

[bqhurricane]

One of my coworkers is going to make the treck from Houston to Mississippi tomorrow and thinks that she won't run into any problems whatsoever. Told her to have fun with that little journey.

[gboudx]

It will probably not be a popular opinion but I believe that after evacuation orders are issued, if people do not obey the order they should be aware that they are taking THEIR life in their hand. If they knew up front that if they were to realize they made the wrong decision they would be stuck. If the government would simply make it clear that if you stay you are on your own, maybe people would start obeying evac orders. Not trying to be heartless but at some point people should take responsibility for their own bad decisions. No one should have to risk their life to save someone else from their own stupidity.

I know we're off-topic here, but I believe this approach was taken by officials in Galveston for Ike. It may depend on the category of the storm on if rescue personnel will be allowed to try rescues.

[summersquall]

In Texas they have you write the names and phone numbers of your next of kin on your arm in Sharpie if you refuse to evacuate when evacuation is recommended from barrier islands. They also let you know that they may not be able to come and help if an emergency arises.

[crimi481]

Based on this WV Loop:
Looking at the Ridge above whole N. Gulf Coast - appears to be buckling South, to the N.W of Isaac's Center
Overall Storm seems to aligning in more N.E. to S.W. angle
Centr could dip south more -then N, then N.E. (Possibly)

http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/data/geo/index ... thod=flash

This post in this forum, is NOT official forecast and should not be used as such

[gboudx]

When is this thing going to turn west? Looks almost due north now.

The "eyewall" feature seen on radar may be wobbling around the area of lowest pressure, giving the appearance of direction changes. Earlier it looked west to me, now more north. If possible, we probably need to focus on the cyclones general motion.

[pledger28]

In Texas they have you write the names and phone numbers of your next of kin on your arm in Sharpie if you refuse to evacuate when evacuation is recommended from barrier islands. They also let you know that they may not be able to come and help if an emergency arises.

I am in Texas and have never heard of such a thing. After Ike many bodies took awile to be ID. If this were true that would not have been the case.

[mutley]

Based on this WV Loop:
Looking at the Ridge above whole N. Gulf Coast - appears to be buckling South, to the N.W of Isaac's Center
Overall Storm seems to aligning in more N.E. to S.W. angle
Centr could dip south more -then N, then N.E. (Possibly)

http://www.ssec.wisc.edu/data/geo/index ... thod=flash

That would certainly be interesting, if it were to happen.

I wish someone could point out where the weakness is, that is suppose to allow Isaac to move further NW.

[Ntxw]

Great lakes high pressure is moving ESE. He cannot move east or northeast anytime soon until he is above Arkansas so lets not speculate on that anymore, wobbles. Flow around high pressure is clockwise, the weakness to his east is not really a weakness it's a retreating trough which he already missed. NHC forecast track is still good.

http://www.hpc.ncep.noaa.gov/html/sfclo ... _test.html

[MGC]

Strong wind gust just ripped a large branch (1 foot diameter) off the neighbors tree and into my yard....gonna have a lot of debris to clean up after Mr Isaac leaves town......MGC

[Houstonia]

But also it puts the rescue teams that have to go out in this at risk for injury and death themselves to have try and save these people who refuse to listen and adhere to gov't officials. If they would have to start having to pay back for the rescue efforts or fined then maybe next time they will listen better.

Slightly OT, but that reminds me of a conversation we had on this very board. One of our members worked for the Jackson County (MS) dispatch office, and when Katrina came in they were deluged by frantic calls for help......and people died because there was no. way. to. reach. them.

Evacuation orders exist for a reason, and it isn't to make people spend money and have them take joyrides across the state.

Slightly off-topic - just want to add this and then I'm done. For the past few days I've been in an absolute funk. Really desparing - the reason being, the tragically NASTY comments made by my fellow Houstonians regarding possible evacuees coming from Nola and the rest of the state. These comments have been made on FB boards, news boards, and even coming from some friends of mine. I am a FIRM believer in evacuations and when there's a disaster - we are ALL brothers and sisters - and we should all welcome them with open arms. We all come from different places, different economic levels, different cultures, etc. And to think, "well, we didn't get enough THANKS in return, and these PEOPLE didn't RESPECT us" is just too unrealistic.

That being said - if local governments (ie Harris County in Texas), turn away evacuees - it just makes everything so much more difficult.

Right now, I have never been so ashamed to be a Houstonia or a Texan.