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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#241 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:05 pm

jinftl wrote:Afternoon discussion from Dr. Masters on 94L...just like any system, this one may have to deal with some degree of shear and dry air at times, but Dr. M seems to think 94L will overcome it. Quite honestly, any slowing of the deveolopment process just means a system that will make it further west on the low level flow and that could be the thing we don't want to see!

I will say, I have rarely seen Dr. Masters be as bold as to say this far out that the system has a 60% chance of passing through the Lesser Antilles at unspecified intensity.

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The latest 2 pm EDT run of the SHIPS model predicts that wind shear will be low, 5 - 10 knots, and ocean temperatures will fluctuate around 28°C over the next five days, as 94L tracks westwards towards the Lesser Antilles. As is typical with storms making the crossing from Africa to the Antilles, dry air to the north will likely interfere with development, and the SHIPS model predicts increased dry air as 94L approaches the Lesser Antilles. However, with shear expected to be low, dry air may be less of an issue for 94L than it was for Ernesto or TD 7.

The storm should maintain a nearly due west track through Monday night, to a point near 50°W, about 700 miles east of the Lesser Antilles. At that point, a trough of low pressure passing to the north of 94L may be able to pull the storm to the northwest well to the northeast of the Lesser Antilles, as suggested by the latest 12Z (8 am EDT) run of the NOGAPS model. The 12Z UKMET model shows a more west-northwesterly motion resulting in a near miss of the Lesser Antilles on Thursday. Our two best performing models--the GFS and ECMWF--have both been taking 94L through the Lesser Antilles with every run for the past 24 hours, though. The latest 12Z run of both models now agree on the timing, with 94L arriving Wednesday night or Thursday morning. The BAMM model, which performed as well as the ECMWF and GFS at 5-day forecasts in 2011, is also showing a track through the Lesser Antilles. Given this agreement among our top three models for long-range forecasts, I give a 60% chance that 94L will pass through the Lesser Antilles. In their 2 pm EDT Tropical Weather Outlook, NHC gave 94L a 50% chance of developing into a tropical depression by Monday afternoon.


http://www.wunderground.com/blog/JeffMa ... rynum=2192


And making two blogs about it is not common,meaning he see this as a serious threat down the road.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#242 Postby jinftl » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:12 pm

Agree, at least not for an invest days away from nearing any land. Says alot in my opinion about the heightened level of interest with this system.

It's like when we had Brian Norcross on local news weather here in south florida - if he gets concerned about a storm, it is time to get concerned. If he says, not to panic, i always felt better.

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And making two blogs about it is not common,meaning he see this as a serious threat down the road.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#243 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:12 pm

cycloneye wrote:94L SSD Floater is up

There you go Aric! :)

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/PS/TROP/floater ... oater.html


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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#244 Postby ROCK » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:15 pm

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/flash-rgb.html

you can see the SAL out in front of it......maybe it has the envelope to keep it out. So far this season though that has not been the case....
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#245 Postby pgoss11 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:16 pm

ROCK wrote:http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/tatl/flash-rgb.html

you can see the SAL out in front of it......maybe it has the envelope to keep it out. So far this season though that has not been the case....

Might slow the development down some..but seems like it's in a pretty moist environment
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#246 Postby Caribwxgirl » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:18 pm

What does sal mean again?
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#247 Postby cycloneye » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:18 pm

Caribwxgirl wrote:What does sal mean again?


Saharan Air Layer
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#248 Postby Caribwxgirl » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:20 pm

cycloneye wrote:
Caribwxgirl wrote:What does sal mean again?


Saharan Air Layer

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#249 Postby timmeister » Sat Aug 18, 2012 3:58 pm

cycloneye wrote:
Caribwxgirl wrote:What does sal mean again?


Saharan Air Layer


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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#250 Postby Camille(CaneOnAPill) » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:04 pm

I think once this "assumed to be Isaac" gets to tropical storm status it will start to wrap into the center the SAL which is out in front of it and will keep it a minimal tropical storm until it rids itself of the air and disperses the SAL in front of it enough before it starts to ramp up to a cane. I'm pretty sure this along with the ridge to its north is the reason why the models and forecasters send the system westward for the next 3 or 4 days through the LA. If SAL was not in front of the system it would ramp up much sooner and track more northwest than west and would almost certainly curve out enough to miss the U.S. In my opinion the SAL is the only reason the U.S. will be in play. So, the SAL was a good thing for Ernesto, Gordon and Helen. However, not so much for "assumed to be Isaac".

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#251 Postby ConvergenceZone » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:06 pm

I don't think the SAL looks too bad. There's always at least a little bit of SAL out there. If anything, it will probably develop slowly, but nonetheless develop(in my opinion). Then again, it's hard to say what the conditions will be like once it gets closer to the islands...
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#252 Postby SunnyThoughts » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:08 pm

I saw where someone posted earlier that recon should make a visit around 50W or so. Guess they heard you. :)

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY.....NEGATIVE.
3. REMARKS: ADDITIONAL DAY OUTLOOK--PSBL LOW LEVEL
INVEST NEAR 14N AND 50W ON 21/1800Z.
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#253 Postby floridasun78 » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:54 pm

SunnyThoughts wrote:I saw where someone posted earlier that recon should make a visit around 50W or so. Guess they heard you. :)

I. ATLANTIC REQUIREMENTS
1. NEGATIVE RECONNAISSANCE REQUIREMENTS.
2. OUTLOOK FOR SUCCEEDING DAY.....NEGATIVE.
3. REMARKS: ADDITIONAL DAY OUTLOOK--PSBL LOW LEVEL
INVEST NEAR 14N AND 50W ON 21/1800Z.

their rare go out past 50 west their think this going to be major player
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#254 Postby ozonepete » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:54 pm

Wow. This looks to become a classic Cape Verde monster. There's a lot of model consensus for a straight ride to the Windwards and a lot of strengthening. Obviously will have to be watched really carefully.

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#255 Postby gatorcane » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:55 pm

The ECMWF is not bullish on development on this system and the GFS has been trending towards a weaker system in the MDR...now only a 1009MB low through 72 hours as shown in the 18Z GFS. It must be the dry and and shear from the ULL that is sitting at 55W currently.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#256 Postby tolakram » Sat Aug 18, 2012 4:58 pm

We'll have to see if either have a clue about the intensity.

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#257 Postby ozonepete » Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:11 pm

gatorcane wrote:The ECMWF is not bullish on development on this system and the GFS has been trending towards a weaker system in the MDR...now only a 1009MB low through 72 hours as shown in the 18Z GFS. It must be the dry and and shear from the ULL that is sitting at 55W currently.


Yeah, but those models don't do too well with intensity at this early stage. This is what makes me worry a little:

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Let's hope the GFS is right. It's way too early anyway. Just sayin' this has a good shot at major status climatologically and given the current and forecast environment. So far shear hasn't been nearly as widespread in the MDR or Caribbean as it could be.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#258 Postby beoumont » Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:14 pm

TropicalAnalystwx13 wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Image

Should be classified in the morning if current convective trends continue.


All those feeder bands on the south side remind me of what Gilbert in 1988 looked like when it
entered the Carib. as a 1002 mb. depression.
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#259 Postby gatorcane » Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:16 pm

Convection seems to be on the decrease the past several hours -- except for the area to the NE of the last best track coordinates where the convection has been more sustained. I wonder if we will see an LLC relocation there which would put the center at 15N lattitude?
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L

#260 Postby jinftl » Sat Aug 18, 2012 5:20 pm

I am impressed that you were on top of satellite images from 24 years ago...it's not like we had the internet to see them and i don't recall my local weather showing t.d.'s moving into the eastern caribbean! :wink:

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TropicalAnalystwx13 wrote:
cycloneye wrote:Image

Should be classified in the morning if current convective trends continue.


All those feeder bands on the south side remind me of what Gilbert in 1988 looked like when it
entered the Carib. as a 1002 mb. depression.
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