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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#561 Postby iorange55 » Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:47 pm

Jarodm wrote:denton is down to 39f dewpoint 36 and north wind of 7. Come on, really all denton has to do is drop five degree's and i bet they start seeing a change over



Well, snow starts high up in the atmosphere. It could be 32 down here, but if it's not cold enough up there, you won't see any snow. I don't believe a change over will be happening anytime soon. We need the little magic line to move down, and it isn't showing that for another 24 hours or so.

If we see anything, it won't be 'til sometime late tomorrow and possibly into Tuesday morning, if there is more moisture to play with *fingers crossed*
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#562 Postby GRAYSONCO.WX » Sun Dec 04, 2011 3:53 pm

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Jarodm wrote:denton is down to 39f dewpoint 36 and north wind of 7. Come on, really all denton has to do is drop five degree's and i bet they start seeing a change over



Well, snow starts high up in the atmosphere. It could be 32 down here, but if it's not cold enough up there, you won't see any snow. I don't believe a change over will be happening anytime soon. We need the little magic line to move down, and it isn't showing that for another 24 hours or so.

If we see anything, it won't be 'til sometime late tomorrow and possibly into Tuesday morning, if there is more moisture to play with *fingers crossed*


It'll be interesting to see what the FWNWS and surrounding offices say this afternoon. It will also be interesting to see if any watches or advisories are issued out west.
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#563 Postby iorange55 » Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:00 pm

GRAYSONCO.WX wrote:
It'll be interesting to see what the FWNWS and surrounding offices say this afternoon. It will also be interesting to see if any watches or advisories are issued out west.



I wouldn't expect anything. Considering it is only one model run, so far. Plus the amounts would be very light.

Looking at the wunderground map. It has the 18z NAM showing sleet for a few hours before ending it with flurries towards the end of the event.

It would be all snow from Decatur, to abilene, and lubbock.
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#564 Postby GRAYSONCO.WX » Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:04 pm

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GRAYSONCO.WX wrote:
It'll be interesting to see what the FWNWS and surrounding offices say this afternoon. It will also be interesting to see if any watches or advisories are issued out west.



I wouldn't expect anything. Considering it is only one model run, so far. Plus the amounts would be very light.

Looking at the wunderground map. It has the 18z NAM showing sleet for a few hours before ending it with flurries towards the end of the event.

It would be all snow from Decatur, to abilene, and lubbock.


I should have been more specific when I said watches/advisories, I meant for the snow tonight out west; the Lubbock to Abilene area.
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#565 Postby Jarodm » Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:41 pm

If there is a lull between tonights event and our current rain wouldnt that give time for our atmosphere to dry out and aid in wet bulb effect?

18z gfs not on board it dosent even show freezing temps 39 hours out and no snow
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#566 Postby iorange55 » Sun Dec 04, 2011 4:51 pm

18Z GFS may be just a hair colder. But, still not showing a lot of moisture.

So we have the NAM giving us some sleet/flurry action.

The last run of the Euro shows the moisture but keeps it out by Abilene and then lifts it north into Oklahoma. And, the GFS hardly shows any moisture at all.

We'll see what the models say tonight.
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#567 Postby Portastorm » Sun Dec 04, 2011 5:45 pm

Amarillo and Lubbock NWS offices have hoisted Winter Weather advisories starting tonight through Tuesday morning.
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#568 Postby GRAYSONCO.WX » Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:24 pm

Does anybody know what the rapid refresh model is showing in regards to tonight's event?
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#569 Postby TrekkerCC » Sun Dec 04, 2011 6:50 pm

GRAYSONCO.WX wrote:Does anybody know what the rapid refresh model is showing in regards to tonight's event?


If we took the 21z Rapid Refresh (not the High Resolution Rapid Refresh Model) Model verbatim, then it appears like west/northwest/and some places north of Dallas will get some snow. It is probably a bit optimistic, but I think spots maybe north or northwest of DFW might get some snow. Could DFW have brief periods of wintery precipitation (sleet) on Monday? Possibly - but probably only a 10% chance. See 21z RR run here: http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/RR/jsloop. ... =q3&wjet=1

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edit: To add link to 21z RR run
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#570 Postby Jarodm » Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:46 pm

i guess we are waiting for the nam to begin
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#571 Postby iorange55 » Sun Dec 04, 2011 7:48 pm

RR is pretty interesting. It seems like the GFS is definitely the quickest to shut off moisture. If the GFS is wrong, then it might be possible to see some flurries or very light snow.

Wait and see.
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#572 Postby GRAYSONCO.WX » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:34 pm

What's the website to view the latest RR, specifically the snowfall accumulations map? Thank you.
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#573 Postby Jarodm » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:47 pm

well this will be very intresting im watching temps closely they are begining to fall, also our dew points are lowering. Cant wait to see what the latest model guidance says hopefully we can get a change over monday morning, i can wish right lol. But perhaps it will come in colder.
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#574 Postby iorange55 » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:49 pm

GRAYSONCO.WX wrote:What's the website to view the latest RR, specifically the snowfall accumulations map? Thank you.


http://rapidrefresh.noaa.gov/RR/


If you go there it has a lot of options.

00Z NAM has started...

Through 12hrs it has the magic line out around Weatherford? Perhaps. A lot more moisture out west. Abilene picking up heavy snow.

This looks interesting
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#575 Postby Jarodm » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:54 pm

it's coming in colder so far lets see what it dose with the precip
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#576 Postby GRAYSONCO.WX » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:56 pm

Jarodm wrote:it's coming in colder so far lets see what it dose with the precip

It's dump some snow out west!
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#577 Postby Jarodm » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:57 pm

LOOK WHAT IT DOSE TO NORTH TEXAS AT 12 hours!
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#578 Postby iorange55 » Sun Dec 04, 2011 8:58 pm

This run is a big improvement.

Through 15hrs the magic line is basically on top of the Metroplex (perhaps a bit west) Moisture is still around. Probably a sleet/snow mix around DFW.

Areas out west would be seeing accumulating snowfall.
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#579 Postby Jarodm » Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:00 pm

so do you think they will be changing there forecast soon based on new output? or do you think it will be snowing here in dfw before they say anything lol
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Re: Texas Winter 2011-2012...

#580 Postby iorange55 » Sun Dec 04, 2011 9:02 pm

Jarodm wrote:so do you think they will be changing there forecast soon based on new output? or do you think it will be snowing here in dfw before they say anything lol



Not sure. Probably wait and see what the GFS says.

I am still waiting to see if the NAM still shows the light moisture it was showing through 30+ hours. So far it is a good model run for snow lovers and Abilene would be the bulls eye.
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