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Re: ATL: KATIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1241 Postby Swimdude » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:20 pm

ckiggins wrote:Can someone explain to another newbie the complete differences in tracks?

I have been watching the following on Ryan Maue's site:

http://coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/plots/uv900atl_anim_16.html
http://coaps.fsu.edu/~maue/tropical/plots/ec850uva.html

The two models show incredibly different positions of the storm at 8 days. At what point do these become more accurate? 5 days out?


I am NOT a professional at all, but I can say this with relative certainty:

1) There are different computer models for a reason. Each of them have strengths and weaknesses. Many would argue that one is better than the other, but that is often personal opinion. Either way, as a result of their differences, they often suggest that a storm will take different paths, intensities, encounter different environments, and so forth.

2) It's hard to define "accurate." Are the models correct 24 hours out? Yeah, probably about 95% of the time. But then comes the question again: What is accurate? If a computer model has a 24-hour error of 20 miles when the hurricane is in the middle of the Atlantic, it's not so big a deal. What if the eye of a Cat-4 is pointed right at your home? Then a movement of 20 miles could be a HUGE deal. In the latter case, you might receive 120mph sustained winds instead of 70mph winds. To you, at that moment, the model was incredibly INaccurate.

I hope that all made sense.
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#1242 Postby meriland23 » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:20 pm

following this on IWM and it looks like a even NW movement to 120 hrs (do not see the rest yet)
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Re: ATL: KATIA - Tropical Storm - Discussion

#1243 Postby bob rulz » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:22 pm

Also, 8 days tracks enter the realm of fantasy. Even supercomputers can't predict the path of a tropical cyclone that far out. Sometimes they may even get the general pattern wrong. That's not to say you should just discard them completely though. The more clustered the models are and the more consistent the models are, the more likely it is that the models have the general weather pattern down.
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#1244 Postby Jevo » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:25 pm

12z GFS +144

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Re: ATL: KATIA - Models

#1245 Postby Jevo » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:26 pm

SouthFLTropics wrote:Is it just me or does this run of the GFS seem to be taking forever to process???

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#1246 Postby meriland23 » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:32 pm

hour 165 is positioned about 65W and 27N
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#1247 Postby Jevo » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:33 pm

18z GFS +168

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Re: ATL: KATIA - Models

#1248 Postby SouthFLTropics » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:36 pm

Looks like the GOM system heads east and then turns around and heads back west. Maybe an indication of the trough lifting out and a high building in.

I think at 168 she's getting trapped...Very slow movement.

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#1249 Postby meriland23 » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:39 pm

204 + hours looks scarier in terms of closeness, you will see when vevo posts..
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#1250 Postby Jevo » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:40 pm

18z GFS +192

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Re: ATL: KATIA - Models

#1251 Postby Miami Storm Tracker » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:42 pm

Scary for who,

Other than Bermuda
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Re: ATL: KATIA - Models

#1252 Postby cycloneye » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:42 pm

Oh boy,Bermuda gets pulverized for many hours.
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Re: ATL: KATIA - Models

#1253 Postby SouthFLTropics » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:43 pm

I'm still concerned that the GFS doesn't have a good grip on the synoptic pattern past 170 hours. Combine that with the fact that "Lee" in the GOM may be throwing a wrench into everything. Nothing is moving much at all from 168 hours and beyond. And then the movement north of Katia looks suspect because it appears to drive it into a ridge to the north. I'm totally confused and lost now. Like I said yesterday, I think we need to wait till Thursday, probably late to get a better handle on the setup. In fact, Thursday may be too soon and we may need to come back and look at the models closer to Saturday or Sunday.

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#1254 Postby Jevo » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:44 pm

18z GFS +252 (Over Bermuda for 18 hours then up to the Flemish Cap)

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#1255 Postby meriland23 » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:44 pm

After 216 it just drives off practically due east. Interesting model run
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#1256 Postby meriland23 » Wed Aug 31, 2011 5:55 pm

Just curious, in terms of long term accuracy, what is your personal favorite runs? Gfs, euro, cmc, etc?
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#1257 Postby JtSmarts » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:02 pm

meriland23 wrote:Just curious, in terms of long term accuracy, what is your personal favorite runs? Gfs, euro, cmc, etc?


This would be a really good topic for discussion on the "Talkin Tropics" forum. You can even make a poll, I would be interested to see the results. :D

Back to Katia, I'm awaiting to see the 0z euro to see if the pattern becomes a bit clearer.
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#1258 Postby meriland23 » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:04 pm

JtSmarts wrote:
meriland23 wrote:Just curious, in terms of long term accuracy, what is your personal favorite runs? Gfs, euro, cmc, etc?


This would be a really good topic for discussion on the "Talkin Tropics" forum. You can even make a poll, I would be interested to see the results. :D

Back to Katia, I'm awaiting to see the 0z euro to see if the pattern becomes a bit clearer.


How much longer until EURO 0z comes out?
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#1259 Postby Hurricaneman » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:05 pm

meriland23 wrote:
JtSmarts wrote:
meriland23 wrote:Just curious, in terms of long term accuracy, what is your personal favorite runs? Gfs, euro, cmc, etc?


This would be a really good topic for discussion on the "Talkin Tropics" forum. You can even make a poll, I would be interested to see the results. :D

Back to Katia, I'm awaiting to see the 0z euro to see if the pattern becomes a bit clearer.


How much longer until EURO 0z comes out?


between 2 and 3 am est
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Re: ATL: KATIA - Models

#1260 Postby WeatherEmperor » Wed Aug 31, 2011 6:34 pm

I know it is only the NOGAPS, but take a look at the 18Z run @ 180hr. Heading WNW toward the SE Coast.....

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