ATL: IRENE - Remnants - Discussion

[ROCK]

Can someone educate me about why this is going to be such a disaster if it hits NYC area. Is it just a surge issue? What are we talking about, flooding on the level of New Orleans? How much will flood? No building are going to be knocked over, I can see some windows being blown out but it would have to be pretty strong and a direct hit for that to happen. Even so, it wouldn't be the end of the world if a few windows break. I just want to know if people are being melo dramatic about the possible outcome or if there is merit to it.

You must not watch it could happen tomorrow and an impact of a hurricane on NYC...

NYC with any type of surge would flood the subways....thats a good possiblity....you break one window you will be breaking a whole lot more because they become projectiles,,thats a good possiblity.....power will be lost to a city with what 8-10MM people? thats a good recipe for chaos...whos being melo-dramatic? this is a REAL possibility. I have been through a lot of hurricanes but a hurricane into NO,Tampa and NYC are worst case scenarios.

[bamajammer4eva]

Can someone educate me about why this is going to be such a disaster if it hits NYC area. Is it just a surge issue? What are we talking about, flooding on the level of New Orleans? How much will flood? No building are going to be knocked over, I can see some windows being blown out but it would have to be pretty strong and a direct hit for that to happen. Even so, it wouldn't be the end of the world if a few windows break. I just want to know if people are being melo dramatic about the possible outcome or if there is merit to it.

Its mostly a lot of hype but this will be of interest and affect high population of people so if media dramatizes everything, they will have a larger audience cause there are so many in that area. In reality, New England is no stranger to coastal storms that generate a lot of wind since they see them multiple times each winter in the form of Northeasters and blizzard which cause the same coastal effects ie beach erosion, wind damage, power outages, flooding and coastal flooding. You wouldnt see this kind of hype if Irene was coming ashore in sparsely populated ares such as north of Brownsville, Tx.

[ROCK]

Can someone educate me about why this is going to be such a disaster if it hits NYC area. Is it just a surge issue? What are we talking about, flooding on the level of New Orleans? How much will flood? No building are going to be knocked over, I can see some windows being blown out but it would have to be pretty strong and a direct hit for that to happen. Even so, it wouldn't be the end of the world if a few windows break. I just want to know if people are being melo dramatic about the possible outcome or if there is merit to it.

Its mostly a lot of hype but this will be of interest to a high population of people so if media dramatizes everything, they will have a larger audience cause there are so many in that area. In reality, New England is no stranger to coastal storms that generate a lot of wind since they see them multiple times each winter in the form of Northeasters and blizzard which cause the same coastal effects ie beach erosion, wind damage, power outages, flooding and coastal flooding.

you are serious? really....you must be joking,,,,

[Aja]

MikeTheiss
by reedtimmerTVN
@reedtimmerTVN ! Super wind blast just thrashed Nassau, Bahamas !! #Hurricane #Irene is hours away ! twitpic.com/6avrmq

[fci]

The only reason I bring this up is because there is currently a tropical there is a tropical storm warning since this afternoon for the Atlantic waters from Flagler Beach to Jupiter Inlet from 20 to 60 NM off the coast. That was issued when the Storm had Tropical storm winds from the center at 205 miles. Now its 255 miles. Logic please?

Steve: I get flamed when I bring this up so I ask that people just read it and take it for what it is worth to y'all:
In Florida a TS Watch or Warning is really unimportant.
It does NOT provide a call for action or make us do anything more than maybe bring in a lawn chair or two.
In other places where construction is lacking or a place that is impoverished, a Tropical Storm Warning can yield winds that may seriously imperil property.
Here in Florida, strong afternoon convection thunderstorms give us Tropical Storm conditions quite often.
Now, I know people may point out that TS Warnings are for winds from 39-73 and this is true, but I think that if winds are expected to be at the higher end of the TS wind range, we will be getting a Hurricane Warning anyway.
So, that's my take on why the fact that there is no TS watch or warning is pretty unimportant anyway for Florida.
Be gentle on my folks and try to keep the lectures on topic and to a minimum!

[bob rulz]

Can someone educate me about why this is going to be such a disaster if it hits NYC area. Is it just a surge issue? What are we talking about, flooding on the level of New Orleans? How much will flood? No building are going to be knocked over, I can see some windows being blown out but it would have to be pretty strong and a direct hit for that to happen. Even so, it wouldn't be the end of the world if a few windows break. I just want to know if people are being melo dramatic about the possible outcome or if there is merit to it.

Its mostly a lot of hype but this will be of interest and affect high population of people so if media dramatizes everything, they will have a larger audience cause there are so many in that area. In reality, New England is no stranger to coastal storms that generate a lot of wind since they see them multiple times each winter in the form of Northeasters and blizzard which cause the same coastal effects ie beach erosion, wind damage, power outages, flooding and coastal flooding. You wouldnt see this kind of hype if Irene was coming ashore in sparsely populated ares such as north of Brownsville, Tx.

I didn't know that a Nor'Easter was comparable to a category 2 or 3 hurricane.

[PTPatrick]

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/203439/ ... uation.htm


This article outlines NYC's hurricane dangers. Obviouslt media with dramatize things, but this article outlines some pretty valid issues that are supported by history. Of course if it hits further east on LI, then effects would be less...Same if it weakened significantly.

The problem with NYC is that once you now its going to be bad its too late. Storms move fast up there, and you dont have the luxury or watching to see if it weakens at the last minute. you have to be prepared and hope for the best.

[fci]

Phil Ferro, local WSVN 7 met, just said his only concern is that Irene is a large storm, and to imagine a large tanker in the water "if you will". If you ask that tanker to turn right, it takes a long time to do it, due to the size it can't turn quickly. He said if it takes a long time for Irene to turn "we may feel more of this than we'd like". Just figured I'd pass that on....

Is this guy a talking head or is he fairly well respected withing the meteorology field?

Radio Stations I listen to call him an alarmist.
I don't live in his viewing area so I can only pass on that they call him the "Hurricane Terrorist" for the fear he likes to instill in his viewers.

[SunnyThoughts]

I guess its true they go through nor-easters up there and lose power etc... They are equipped to plow snow out of the way, can't plow water out of the streets in order to make it to a grocery store (which is also underwater anyway)

[cat]

Can someone educate me about why this is going to be such a disaster if it hits NYC area. Is it just a surge issue? What are we talking about, flooding on the level of New Orleans? How much will flood? No building are going to be knocked over, I can see some windows being blown out but it would have to be pretty strong and a direct hit for that to happen. Even so, it wouldn't be the end of the world if a few windows break. I just want to know if people are being melo dramatic about the possible outcome or if there is merit to it.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/203439/20110824/hurricane-irene-new-york-city-storm-surge-subways-economy-evacuation.htm

[artist]

000
URNT15 KNHC 250447
AF302 1709A IRENE HDOB 47 20110825
043800 2511N 07436W 6974 03095 //// +072 //// 124076 079 055 020 05
043830 2510N 07438W 6963 03103 9985 +094 +094 122075 076 046 005 03
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043930 2507N 07440W 6967 03094 9992 +086 //// 126071 073 045 006 01
044000 2506N 07442W 6964 03096 9985 +089 //// 125074 074 046 008 01
044030 2505N 07443W 6970 03087 9984 +088 //// 124073 073 047 008 01
044100 2504N 07444W 6968 03088 9991 +077 //// 121077 079 045 008 05
044130 2503N 07446W 6969 03085 //// +072 //// 124078 082 050 013 05
044200 2501N 07447W 6965 03085 //// +066 //// 128086 087 052 013 05
044230 2500N 07448W 6967 03084 //// +070 //// 132079 082 054 015 05
044300 2459N 07450W 6975 03070 //// +068 //// 129075 077 055 011 05
044330 2458N 07451W 6965 03081 //// +068 //// 130079 082 055 015 05
044400 2457N 07452W 6966 03074 //// +067 //// 128066 071 060 016 05
044430 2456N 07453W 6968 03068 //// +075 //// 124060 062 059 014 01
044500 2454N 07455W 6973 03058 //// +072 //// 121062 066 057 014 05
044530 2453N 07456W 6961 03073 //// +074 //// 124068 069 054 011 01
044600 2452N 07457W 6970 03055 //// +070 //// 127077 078 054 013 01
044630 2451N 07459W 6965 03061 //// +070 //// 130076 078 054 013 01
044700 2450N 07500W 6969 03047 //// +070 //// 130075 076 055 011 01
044730 2449N 07501W 6965 03053 9941 +083 //// 130078 080 055 010 01
$$

[Sanibel]

The Bahamas poster is getting the west side of the core in Georgetown right now. He should have some wind tales later on.

[bamajammer4eva]

I guess its true they go through nor-easters up there and lose power etc... They are equipped to plow snow out of the way, can't plow water out of the streets in order to make it to a grocery store (which is also underwater anyway)

True but your roof will not collapse due to the weight of snow in a hurricane. The flooding will not be everywhere and will recede with time. Snow and ice coat the roads everywhere causing wrecks, people to be stranded in subfreezing temp, etc. until it is plowed away. There bad things about either situation so its kind of a which one is worse. Both can be extreme and even fatal if one doesn't use common sense and prepare.

[Dave]

[FireRat]

As far as Nor'easters I know the "Storm of the Century", not the 1993 storm, but the November 25, 1950 storm brought 100 mph+ winds and a major "storm surge" to the Northeast and Mid Atlantic. That event was a historic one, but still can't compare to what a major hurricane or even Cat 2 moving at 50 mph can do.

[artist]

000
URNT15 KNHC 250457
AF302 1709A IRENE HDOB 48 20110825
044800 2448N 07503W 6967 03045 9932 +088 //// 129080 081 056 010 01
044830 2446N 07504W 6966 03038 9924 +091 //// 128081 082 055 007 05
044900 2445N 07505W 6964 03038 9913 +094 //// 125081 081 056 006 05
044930 2444N 07506W 6962 03037 9909 +096 +093 122081 081 057 007 03
045000 2443N 07508W 6968 03028 9920 +083 //// 122080 081 056 008 01
045030 2442N 07509W 6967 03024 9912 +084 //// 126080 081 056 010 01
045100 2440N 07510W 6969 03018 //// +087 //// 130081 084 059 008 01
045130 2439N 07512W 6963 03019 //// +079 //// 129084 088 059 011 01
045200 2438N 07513W 6967 03003 //// +075 //// 123081 084 062 020 05
045230 2437N 07514W 6964 03005 //// +074 //// 126082 083 065 022 01
045300 2436N 07515W 6972 02985 //// +080 //// 134082 085 068 031 01
045330 2435N 07517W 6964 02992 //// +080 //// 140084 089 071 023 05
045400 2434N 07518W 6963 02985 //// +084 //// 139084 088 069 016 01
045430 2433N 07519W 6968 02975 //// +091 //// 135083 086 070 013 01
045500 2432N 07520W 6971 02964 //// +089 //// 133082 083 071 012 01
045530 2430N 07521W 6962 02964 //// +086 //// 134082 086 072 013 01
045600 2429N 07523W 6967 02952 //// +085 //// 134087 088 069 010 01
045630 2428N 07524W 6967 02944 9814 +092 //// 133089 090 070 012 01
045700 2427N 07525W 6970 02933 //// +084 //// 131092 093 073 021 01
045730 2426N 07526W 6970 02922 //// +078 //// 131094 095 074 015 05
$$

[ROCK]

I guess its true they go through nor-easters up there and lose power etc... They are equipped to plow snow out of the way, can't plow water out of the streets in order to make it to a grocery store (which is also underwater anyway)

True but your roof will not collapse due to the weight of snow in a hurricane. The flooding will not be everywhere and will recede with time. Snow and ice coat the roads everywhere causing wrecks, people to be stranded in subfreezing temp, etc. until it is plowed away. There bad things about either situation so its kind of a which one is worse. Both can be extreme and even fatal if one doesn't use common sense and prepare.

have you lived in a house during a major before in a highly populated city?

[FireRat]

I live in the Fort Lauderdale area and can say Phil Ferro is no alarmist. He's very realist and at about average when it comes to Chief Mets. He's young so he's got plenty of experience and potential ahead of him. I hope this can put closure to the rating of a local Met in this thread.

[PTPatrick]

I guess its true they go through nor-easters up there and lose power etc... They are equipped to plow snow out of the way, can't plow water out of the streets in order to make it to a grocery store (which is also underwater anyway)

True but your roof will not collapse due to the weight of snow in a hurricane. The flooding will not be everywhere and will recede with time. Snow and ice coat the roads everywhere causing wrecks, people to be stranded in subfreezing temp, etc. until it is plowed away. There bad things about either situation so its kind of a which one is worse.

Did you read the article...SNOW does not cause distruction...in general it just piles up, at worst can cause car accidents and roof collapse. It melts and things are all better. Sea water mixed with sewage does not just disappear and dry up and all is betteer. Noreasters and blizzards generally do not carry sustained hurricane force winds. Blizzards do not generally break windows. Nor do they have the time and strength over water and the typical trajectory needed to cause significant surge in the city. Point is, NO it wont be the end of the world... but NY aint built to take the eastern eyewall of a cat 3. I went through katrina and I have been through a 3 foot snow storm...they are NOT in any way, shape, or form, similar.

[Dave]