WPAC: MEGI (1013/15W) - Tropical Depression

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#121 Postby phwxenthusiast » Wed Oct 13, 2010 6:30 pm

crownweather wrote:Slight OT: Is there any radar imagery links from the Philippines?? I looked around the net and could not find any. This is to help add to the storm page I have put together for Megi; link is http://www.crownweather.com/?page_id=3541


unfortunately no... PAGASA has a few doppler radars working but i believe they are still in testing stages... and even if they have a "working" radar, i don't think they'd put it on their website lol... i'm also hoping for access to the radars, it's really really important and helpful especially for a country like RP...
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Re: WPAC: MEGI - Tropical Storm

#122 Postby hurricaneCW » Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:03 pm

Could this one really become a STY, it looks sheared right now and not too impressive.
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#123 Postby Typhoon10 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:08 pm

I hope for the sake of the Philippines it moves further north and misses them.
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#124 Postby Chacor » Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:09 pm

JMA continue to hold at T2.0
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Re: WPAC: MEGI - Tropical Storm

#125 Postby dhoeze » Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:15 pm

hurricaneCW wrote:Could this one really become a STY, it looks sheared right now and not too impressive.


same observation here... for RPs sake, hope this doesn't organize more.
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#126 Postby KWT » Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:18 pm

The system does look a little lopsided right now and I note that at least the ECM isn't that agressive to start with it not really strengthening that much in the first 72hrs but then totally blows this one up in the South China Sea before making landfall at 240hrs...

No doubt this is the big one for the year, but real uncertainties still with regards to the track...I happen to buy the ECM idea more and the agencies seem to agree with that idea as well...

Finally, you don't get nearly all models agreeing on this being a potent storm and then it turn out to not strengthen much very often, I think its going to eventually blow up it just depends on what side of Luzon it is...

ps, this may just be the first WPAC storm to break the 100 page mark on storm2k if the ECM track is correct...
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#127 Postby StormingB81 » Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:34 pm

You know a little off topic but it would be nice for some votes for member of the month..lol.. I think by friday night we should have more of an agreeance (sp?) on what the track may or may not be...
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#128 Postby KWT » Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:40 pm

Hopefully so stormingbb, I think either way its going to come close to Phillippines and the models on the whole appear to be trending a little further south with each run at least in the early part of the run and the longer it takes for it to shift onto the expected WNW/NW motion the more the risk increases...

Recon is flying into this over the next few days by the way.

(ps, top thread in the WPAC is Mirinae in 2009 with 83 pages...more then beatable with a decent storm on the expected track.)
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#129 Postby dhoeze » Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:41 pm

Comparing the 3AM and the 6AM images (manila time), looks like this is going down (i hope)

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Hope it stay down and wont progress...
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#130 Postby KWT » Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:44 pm

Probably just the up and down process you get in a developing TC, wouldn't read too much into it just yet though it does look a little sheared for now...

As I said before, the ECM doesn't develop it all that strongly before Luzon but blows it up in the South China Sea into a monster storm.
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#131 Postby dhoeze » Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:48 pm

i see, then we'll continue to monitor...

Question, i am seeing a northeast winds (poleward) engaging Megi, what do you call this winds? is this going to affect its forecasted track?
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Re: WPAC: MEGI - Tropical Storm

#132 Postby Macrocane » Wed Oct 13, 2010 7:57 pm

Even if it looks kind of disorganized at the moment it has plenty of time and waters to become a powerful typhoon it's too early to tell that it's not going to be as strong as forecasted.
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Re: WPAC: MEGI - Tropical Storm

#133 Postby dexterlabio » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:11 pm

MEGI must go out of its current position quickly or else the shear will try to kill it.

Oh well, why am I the only one not agreeing with JTWC's 50kts for Megi, IMO it looks messy but maybe it's just how it looks on satellite pics. Still, this doesn't look good for Luzon. Very low shear along the waters of the Philippines, not to mention very high sea surface temperature. :roll: This has a long way to go, as of now people needs to watch this system.

In case it enters PI's area of responsibility, it will be named JUAN by PAGASA...wait, this kinda reminds me of Zeb in 1998, Luzon landfall and formed in October. I hope Megi doesn't turn into one.
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Re: WPAC: MEGI - Tropical Storm

#134 Postby Typhoon Hunter » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:21 pm

Morning all.

It does look like there's a bit of shear at the moment but it seems like being only a temporary hiccup. Those boiling SSTs and large area of low shear along with agency and model forecasts mean the % chance of a significant impact on Philippines is rising by the hour.
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Re: WPAC: MEGI - Tropical Storm

#135 Postby cycloneye » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:24 pm

Here is the 00z JMA track.

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#136 Postby dhoeze » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:29 pm

Off Topic: Getting married this Oct 22... i pray that there will be no storm over PI during that date...
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#137 Postby supercane » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:30 pm

JMA 00Z advisory text:

WTPQ20 RJTD 140000
RSMC TROPICAL CYCLONE ADVISORY
NAME TS 1013 MEGI (1013)
ANALYSIS
PSTN 140000UTC 11.9N 140.6E FAIR
MOVE WNW SLOWLY
PRES 1002HPA
MXWD 035KT
GUST 050KT
30KT 120NM
FORECAST
24HF 150000UTC 13.2N 138.5E 70NM 70%
MOVE WNW 06KT
PRES 985HPA
MXWD 050KT
GUST 070KT
48HF 160000UTC 15.2N 135.0E 110NM 70%
MOVE WNW 10KT
PRES 970HPA
MXWD 065KT
GUST 095KT
72HF 170000UTC 16.9N 130.4E 210NM 70%
MOVE WNW 12KT
PRES 955HPA
MXWD 075KT
GUST 105KT =

Megi currently experiencing westerly shear...:
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...resulting in a worse satellite appearance based on Dvorak (example below from CIMSS' ADT with weakening flag on)...
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...but recon actually found stronger surface winds than at flight level, though I do find a SFMR peak wind of 59kt high for a central pressure of 999 mb:
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URPA12 PGUA 140053
VORTEX DATA MESSAGE
A. 14/00:38:30Z
B. 12 deg 25 min N
139 deg 50 min E
C. 700 mb 3098 m
D. 59 kt
E. 065 deg 36 nm
F. 135 deg 54 kt
G. 059 deg 50 nm
H. 999 mb
I. 7 C / 3049 m
J. 14 C / 3046 m
K. 8 C / NA
L. NA
M. NA
N. 134 / 7
O. 0.02 / 5 nm
P. AF307 0330W MEGI OB 05
MAX FL WIND 54 KT NE QUAD 00:21:40Z
MAX FL TEMP 15 C 113 / 10 NM FROM FL CNTR
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#138 Postby supercane » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:33 pm

JTWC 03Z out. Apparently they believed the ITOP recon, with MSW up to 55kt despite satellite appearance:

WTPN31 PGTW 140300
MSGID/GENADMIN/NAVMARFCSTCEN PEARL HARBOR HI/JTWC//
SUBJ/TROPICAL CYCLONE WARNING//
RMKS/
1. TROPICAL STORM 15W (MEGI) WARNING NR 005
01 ACTIVE TROPICAL CYCLONE IN NORTHWESTPAC
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS BASED ON ONE-MINUTE AVERAGE
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
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WARNING POSITION:
140000Z --- NEAR 12.1N 139.6E
MOVEMENT PAST SIX HOURS - 295 DEGREES AT 07 KTS
POSITION ACCURATE TO WITHIN 060 NM
POSITION BASED ON CENTER LOCATED BY SATELLITE
PRESENT WIND DISTRIBUTION:
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 055 KT, GUSTS 070 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 025 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
025 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 055 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
050 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
060 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
REPEAT POSIT: 12.1N 139.6E
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FORECASTS:
12 HRS, VALID AT:
141200Z --- 12.7N 138.6E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 065 KT, GUSTS 080 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 035 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
035 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 080 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
080 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
070 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
080 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 24 HR POSIT: 300 DEG/ 07 KTS
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24 HRS, VALID AT:
150000Z --- 13.4N 137.3E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 075 KT, GUSTS 090 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 025 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
025 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
025 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 045 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
045 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
045 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 095 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
095 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
090 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
100 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 36 HR POSIT: 295 DEG/ 10 KTS
---
36 HRS, VALID AT:
151200Z --- 14.2N 135.4E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 095 KT, GUSTS 115 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 035 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
035 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
035 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 060 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
055 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
060 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 115 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
110 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
105 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
115 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 48 HR POSIT: 300 DEG/ 10 KTS
---
EXTENDED OUTLOOK:
48 HRS, VALID AT:
160000Z --- 15.2N 133.5E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 105 KT, GUSTS 130 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 065 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
060 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
065 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 120 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
115 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
115 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
125 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 72 HR POSIT: 290 DEG/ 11 KTS
---
72 HRS, VALID AT:
170000Z --- 16.8N 129.3E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 110 KT, GUSTS 135 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
RADIUS OF 064 KT WINDS - 040 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
040 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
040 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 050 KT WINDS - 070 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
065 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
070 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
RADIUS OF 034 KT WINDS - 125 NM NORTHEAST QUADRANT
120 NM SOUTHEAST QUADRANT
120 NM SOUTHWEST QUADRANT
130 NM NORTHWEST QUADRANT
VECTOR TO 96 HR POSIT: 275 DEG/ 10 KTS
---
LONG RANGE OUTLOOK:
NOTE...ERRORS FOR TRACK HAVE AVERAGED NEAR 250 NM
ON DAY 4 AND 350 NM ON DAY 5... AND FOR INTENSITY
NEAR 20 KT EACH DAY.
---
96 HRS, VALID AT:
180000Z --- 17.2N 125.1E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 120 KT, GUSTS 145 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
VECTOR TO 120 HR POSIT: 265 DEG/ 09 KTS
---
120 HRS, VALID AT:
190000Z --- 16.9N 121.4E
MAX SUSTAINED WINDS - 110 KT, GUSTS 135 KT
WIND RADII VALID OVER OPEN WATER ONLY
---
REMARKS:
140300Z POSITION NEAR 12.2N 139.3E. TROPICAL STORM (TS) 15W (MEGI)
LOCATED APPROXIMATELY 175 NM NORTH-NORTHEAST OF YAP, HAS TRACKEDWEST-
NORTHWESTWARD AT 07 KNOTS OVER THE PAST 06 HOURS.
MAXIMUM SIGNIFICANT WAVE HEIGHT AT 140000Z IS 12 FEET.
NEXT WARNINGS AT 140900Z, 141500Z, 142100Z AND 150300Z.
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Re: WPAC: MEGI - Tropical Storm

#139 Postby apocalypt-flyer » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:38 pm

Ugh, that looks like a NASTY set-up.
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#140 Postby RobWESTPACWX » Wed Oct 13, 2010 8:40 pm

Yawn... Morning all!...

Wow, 03Z is out already. Looks like there slowly working the track farther S. The trough must not be deep enough to move it N. The overall background flow is due E - W so this is a very likely scenario....

Those SST's are still boiling to the W in the PI sea, going to be interesting how the storm reacts.
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