ATL: TROPICAL STORM BILL (03L)

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Re: ATL: HURRICANE BILL (03L)

#3361 Postby massweathernet » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:23 pm

superfly wrote:The entire western side is getting wiped out.


http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/flash-wv-s.html

Ouch!
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Re: ATL : BILL (03L) Recon Thread

#3362 Postby RattleMan » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:25 pm

000
URNT15 KNHC 210320
AF300 0703A BILL HDOB 11 20090821
031100 2400N 06600W 6970 03136 0053 +078 -004 351054 055 036 005 03
031130 2401N 06559W 6966 03127 0038 +085 -004 347054 055 035 002 00
031200 2402N 06558W 6969 03121 0025 +093 -004 344055 055 036 003 00
031230 2403N 06557W 6966 03125 0017 +100 -004 341055 056 036 002 00
031300 2404N 06555W 6967 03124 0015 +100 -005 338056 056 037 002 00
031330 2406N 06554W 6967 03119 0010 +103 -003 335055 055 037 002 00
031400 2407N 06553W 6966 03120 0012 +100 +001 333052 054 037 002 00
031430 2408N 06552W 6968 03116 0011 +100 +005 330051 051 037 001 00
031500 2409N 06550W 6965 03120 0011 +100 +007 329051 052 041 002 00
031530 2410N 06549W 6970 03111 0021 +090 +010 336049 052 044 002 00
031600 2411N 06547W 6966 03115 0021 +088 +012 335047 048 047 001 00
031630 2412N 06546W 6969 03114 0011 +094 +011 337048 048 046 002 00
031700 2413N 06545W 6965 03114 0016 +086 +012 337045 047 047 003 00
031730 2414N 06543W 6970 03105 0018 +084 +011 337042 042 047 003 00
031800 2415N 06542W 6967 03107 0018 +080 +010 334042 043 047 003 00
031830 2416N 06540W 6967 03101 0005 +089 +007 334043 043 046 001 00
031900 2417N 06539W 6969 03096 9985 +102 +006 334044 045 045 001 00
031930 2418N 06538W 6967 03098 9977 +106 +006 334043 044 045 001 00
032000 2419N 06536W 6968 03094 9976 +106 +009 334041 041 047 001 00
032030 2420N 06535W 6967 03094 9971 +108 +012 330042 043 048 002 00
$$
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As always, the negative dew points are incorrect:

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TIME        Latit.    Long.    Plane. Prs.   Height   Pressure   Temp   Dew Pt.   Dir, 30s mean   FL    SFMR   Precip   QC
3:11:00z   24.00°N   66.00°W   697.0 hPa   3136m   1005.3 hPa   7.8°C   0.4°C   351° @ 054kt   55kt   36kt   5mm   Suspect
3:11:30z   24.01°N   65.59°W   696.6 hPa   3127m   1003.8 hPa   8.5°C   0.4°C   347° @ 054kt   55kt   35kt   2mm   OK
3:12:00z   24.02°N   65.58°W   696.9 hPa   3121m   1002.5 hPa   9.3°C   0.4°C   344° @ 055kt   55kt   36kt   3mm   OK
3:12:30z   24.03°N   65.57°W   696.6 hPa   3125m   1001.7 hPa   10.0°C   0.4°C   341° @ 055kt   56kt   36kt   2mm   OK
3:13:00z   24.04°N   65.55°W   696.7 hPa   3124m   1001.5 hPa   10.0°C   0.5°C   338° @ 056kt   56kt   37kt   2mm   OK
3:13:30z   24.06°N   65.54°W   696.7 hPa   3119m   1001.0 hPa   10.3°C   0.3°C   335° @ 055kt   55kt   37kt   2mm   OK
3:14:00z   24.07°N   65.53°W   696.6 hPa   3120m   1001.2 hPa   10.0°C   0.1°C   333° @ 052kt   54kt   37kt   2mm   OK
3:14:30z   24.08°N   65.52°W   696.8 hPa   3116m   1001.1 hPa   10.0°C   0.5°C   330° @ 051kt   51kt   37kt   1mm   OK
3:15:00z   24.09°N   65.50°W   696.5 hPa   3120m   1001.1 hPa   10.0°C   0.7°C   329° @ 051kt   52kt   41kt   2mm   OK
3:15:30z   24.10°N   65.49°W   697.0 hPa   3111m   1002.1 hPa   9.0°C   1.0°C   336° @ 049kt   52kt   44kt   2mm   OK
3:16:00z   24.11°N   65.47°W   696.6 hPa   3115m   1002.1 hPa   8.8°C   1.2°C   335° @ 047kt   48kt   47kt   1mm   OK
3:16:30z   24.12°N   65.46°W   696.9 hPa   3114m   1001.1 hPa   9.4°C   1.1°C   337° @ 048kt   48kt   46kt   2mm   OK
3:17:00z   24.13°N   65.45°W   696.5 hPa   3114m   1001.6 hPa   8.6°C   1.2°C   337° @ 045kt   47kt   47kt   3mm   OK
3:17:30z   24.14°N   65.43°W   697.0 hPa   3105m   1001.8 hPa   8.4°C   1.1°C   337° @ 042kt   42kt   47kt   3mm   OK
3:18:00z   24.15°N   65.42°W   696.7 hPa   3107m   1001.8 hPa   8.0°C   1.0°C   334° @ 042kt   43kt   47kt   3mm   OK
3:18:30z   24.16°N   65.40°W   696.7 hPa   3101m   1000.5 hPa   8.9°C   0.7°C   334° @ 043kt   43kt   46kt   1mm   OK
3:19:00z   24.17°N   65.39°W   696.9 hPa   3096m   998.5 hPa   10.2°C   0.6°C   334° @ 044kt   45kt   45kt   1mm   OK
3:19:30z   24.18°N   65.38°W   696.7 hPa   3098m   997.7 hPa   10.6°C   0.6°C   334° @ 043kt   44kt   45kt   1mm   OK
3:20:00z   24.19°N   65.36°W   696.8 hPa   3094m   997.6 hPa   10.6°C   0.9°C   334° @ 041kt   41kt   47kt   1mm   OK
3:20:30z   24.20°N   65.35°W   696.7 hPa   3094m   997.1 hPa   10.8°C   1.2°C   330° @ 042kt   43kt   48kt   2mm   OK


000
URNT11 KNHC 210329
97779 03124 60240 6600/ 30500 34055 09008 /3086
RMK AF300 0703A BILL OB 04
SWS = 35 KTS
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EDIT: Typo
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#3363 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:29 pm

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t2/loop-avn.html

Rapid Weakening? What exactly is causing this to happen? It's like Bill is being eaten alive.
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#3364 Postby brunota2003 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:30 pm

RL3AO wrote:
CrazyC83 wrote:They decided to omit the 148 and 159 kt reports, suggesting they are invalid. I didn't see anything in the data suggesting the flight-level winds were flagged there...


I'm guessing the crew knows what 159kt gusts feel like on that plane and the turbulence didn't indicate 159kt winds.

I think the reason being they were considered suspect was the sudden jump, followed by the drop in SFMR:

010830 2430N 06340W 6953 02794 9569 +142 +140 182095 099 091 006 00
010900 2430N 06337W 6943 02829 9627 +113 +113 178128 159 121 033 03
010930 2430N 06335W 6994 02801 9681 +101 +101 179130 148 089 026 00
011000 2430N 06333W 7006 02820 9700 +116 +115 181118 119 085 012 03
011030 2430N 06331W 6980 02876 9723 +117 +117 180114 115 077 005 03
011100 2430N 06329W 6958 02919 9749 +112 +112 180111 112 073 002 03
011130 2430N 06327W 6960 02935 9766 +114 +112 180105 107 999 999 03
011200 2430N 06325W 6957 02954 9779 +116 +114 180102 103 999 999 03

99 knots to 159 knots? That is a 60 knot increase...and the SFMR jumped from 91 to 121 and back to 89...seems to me to be very suspect and definitely not representative of the winds inside Bill. Perhaps a "tornado" (spot wind)...one of those mesovorticitys perhaps???
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#3365 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:30 pm

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Re: ATL: HURRICANE BILL (03L)

#3366 Postby massweathernet » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:30 pm

Kind of a bold thing to say! :eek:

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#3367 Postby brunota2003 » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:30 pm

Interestingly, Hurricane Isabel in 2003 fell apart quite rapidly in the same general area.
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Re: ATL : BILL (03L) Recon Thread

#3368 Postby RattleMan » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:35 pm

000
URNT15 KNHC 210330
AF300 0703A BILL HDOB 12 20090821
032100 2421N 06533W 6966 03093 9963 +112 +016 327043 045 047 002 00
032130 2422N 06532W 6967 03091 9960 +114 +020 325045 046 047 000 00
032200 2423N 06530W 6967 03083 9953 +116 +023 327047 048 048 000 00
032230 2424N 06529W 6965 03087 9960 +106 +027 328042 043 048 001 00
032300 2425N 06528W 6970 03076 9962 +100 +030 329040 041 048 000 00
032330 2427N 06526W 6967 03077 9955 +104 +032 327040 040 047 000 00
032400 2428N 06525W 6974 03064 9950 +106 +033 330044 045 046 002 00
032430 2429N 06523W 6965 03069 9939 +110 +034 329045 046 047 001 00
032500 2430N 06522W 6966 03069 9935 +110 +035 329041 042 051 000 00
032530 2431N 06520W 6967 03061 9936 +104 +038 332042 045 050 003 00
032600 2432N 06519W 6973 03041 9932 +098 +039 339045 049 049 005 00
032630 2433N 06518W 6970 03041 9932 +092 +038 349046 048 051 008 00
032700 2434N 06516W 6974 03026 9934 +084 +036 349045 045 051 005 00
032730 2435N 06515W 6967 03030 9917 +095 +032 348046 047 052 005 00
032800 2436N 06514W 6967 03030 9909 +098 +028 343045 046 052 006 00
032830 2437N 06512W 6969 03024 9901 +101 +026 344046 047 053 005 00
032900 2438N 06511W 6967 03019 9889 +106 +024 342047 047 055 006 00
032930 2439N 06509W 6967 03012 9885 +104 +024 338048 050 056 007 00
033000 2440N 06508W 6967 03004 9873 +108 +024 339048 049 057 008 00
033030 2441N 06507W 6968 02996 9859 +114 +025 339049 051 058 006 00
$$
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TIME        Latit.    Long.    Plane. Prs.   Height   Pressure   Temp   Dew Pt.   Dir, 30s mean   FL    SFMR   Precip   QC
3:21:00z   24.21°N   65.33°W   696.6 hPa   3093m   996.3 hPa   11.2°C   1.6°C   327° @ 043kt   45kt   47kt   2mm   OK
3:21:30z   24.22°N   65.32°W   696.7 hPa   3091m   996.0 hPa   11.4°C   2.0°C   325° @ 045kt   46kt   47kt   0mm   OK
3:22:00z   24.23°N   65.30°W   696.7 hPa   3083m   995.3 hPa   11.6°C   2.3°C   327° @ 047kt   48kt   48kt   0mm   OK
3:22:30z   24.24°N   65.29°W   696.5 hPa   3087m   996.0 hPa   10.6°C   2.7°C   328° @ 042kt   43kt   48kt   1mm   OK
3:23:00z   24.25°N   65.28°W   697.0 hPa   3076m   996.2 hPa   10.0°C   3.0°C   329° @ 040kt   41kt   48kt   0mm   OK
3:23:30z   24.27°N   65.26°W   696.7 hPa   3077m   995.5 hPa   10.4°C   3.2°C   327° @ 040kt   40kt   47kt   0mm   OK
3:24:00z   24.28°N   65.25°W   697.4 hPa   3064m   995.0 hPa   10.6°C   3.3°C   330° @ 044kt   45kt   46kt   2mm   OK
3:24:30z   24.29°N   65.23°W   696.5 hPa   3069m   993.9 hPa   11.0°C   3.4°C   329° @ 045kt   46kt   47kt   1mm   OK
3:25:00z   24.30°N   65.22°W   696.6 hPa   3069m   993.5 hPa   11.0°C   3.5°C   329° @ 041kt   42kt   51kt   0mm   OK
3:25:30z   24.31°N   65.20°W   696.7 hPa   3061m   993.6 hPa   10.4°C   3.8°C   332° @ 042kt   45kt   50kt   3mm   OK
3:26:00z   24.32°N   65.19°W   697.3 hPa   3041m   993.2 hPa   9.8°C   3.9°C   339° @ 045kt   49kt   49kt   5mm   OK
3:26:30z   24.33°N   65.18°W   697.0 hPa   3041m   993.2 hPa   9.2°C   3.8°C   349° @ 046kt   48kt   51kt   8mm   OK
3:27:00z   24.34°N   65.16°W   697.4 hPa   3026m   993.4 hPa   8.4°C   3.6°C   349° @ 045kt   45kt   51kt   5mm   OK
3:27:30z   24.35°N   65.15°W   696.7 hPa   3030m   991.7 hPa   9.5°C   3.2°C   348° @ 046kt   47kt   52kt   5mm   OK
3:28:00z   24.36°N   65.14°W   696.7 hPa   3030m   990.9 hPa   9.8°C   2.8°C   343° @ 045kt   46kt   52kt   6mm   OK
3:28:30z   24.37°N   65.12°W   696.9 hPa   3024m   990.1 hPa   10.1°C   2.6°C   344° @ 046kt   47kt   53kt   5mm   OK
3:29:00z   24.38°N   65.11°W   696.7 hPa   3019m   988.9 hPa   10.6°C   2.4°C   342° @ 047kt   47kt   55kt   6mm   OK
3:29:30z   24.39°N   65.09°W   696.7 hPa   3012m   988.5 hPa   10.4°C   2.4°C   338° @ 048kt   50kt   56kt   7mm   OK
3:30:00z   24.40°N   65.08°W   696.7 hPa   3004m   987.3 hPa   10.8°C   2.4°C   339° @ 048kt   49kt   57kt   8mm   OK
3:30:30z   24.41°N   65.07°W   696.8 hPa   2996m   985.9 hPa   11.4°C   2.5°C   339° @ 049kt   51kt   58kt   6mm   OK
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#3369 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:36 pm

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#3370 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:40 pm

its not weakening rapidly at all

in fact, the western side has recovered slightly in the last hour
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Re: ATL : BILL (03L) Recon Thread

#3371 Postby RattleMan » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:43 pm

000
URNT15 KNHC 210340
AF300 0703A BILL HDOB 13 20090821
033100 2442N 06505W 6967 02995 9846 +119 +026 339051 053 057 003 00
033130 2443N 06504W 6970 02985 9836 +122 +027 340052 053 060 003 00
033200 2444N 06503W 6970 02979 9833 +118 +029 342053 054 058 003 00
033230 2445N 06501W 6965 02976 9822 +120 +032 340055 056 059 003 00
033300 2445N 06500W 6965 02968 9824 +110 +035 336055 057 057 002 00
033330 2446N 06458W 6974 02951 9816 +110 +038 338061 062 057 000 03
033400 2447N 06456W 6964 02953 9798 +117 +042 339060 061 057 000 00
033430 2448N 06455W 6966 02942 9785 +120 +044 335060 062 057 001 00
033500 2449N 06453W 6966 02929 9774 +119 +047 333061 062 060 002 00
033530 2449N 06452W 6970 02914 9749 +128 +050 331064 067 061 001 00
033600 2450N 06450W 6969 02901 9730 +132 +052 332071 072 062 000 00
033630 2451N 06448W 6970 02885 9710 +137 +055 334075 075 062 001 00
033700 2452N 06447W 6965 02870 9688 +138 +059 331074 076 065 000 00
033730 2453N 06445W 6970 02850 9663 +144 +062 331078 080 066 000 00
033800 2453N 06444W 6968 02828 9630 +152 +065 329083 084 070 003 00
033830 2454N 06442W 6962 02818 9593 +165 +068 333080 082 073 004 00
033900 2455N 06440W 6965 02791 9586 +149 +073 333071 076 070 004 00
033930 2456N 06439W 6961 02774 9581 +132 +076 328056 062 064 005 00
034000 2457N 06437W 6963 02755 9558 +137 +076 328041 046 043 001 00
034030 2458N 06435W 6966 02739 9542 +141 +076 321029 031 035 001 03
$$
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TIME        Latit.    Long.    Plane. Prs.   Height   Pressure   Temp   Dew Pt.   Dir, 30s mean   FL    SFMR   Precip   QC
3:31:00z   24.42°N   65.05°W   696.7 hPa   2995m   984.6 hPa   11.9°C   2.6°C   339° @ 051kt   53kt   57kt   3mm   OK
3:31:30z   24.43°N   65.04°W   697.0 hPa   2985m   983.6 hPa   12.2°C   2.7°C   340° @ 052kt   53kt   60kt   3mm   OK
3:32:00z   24.44°N   65.03°W   697.0 hPa   2979m   983.3 hPa   11.8°C   2.9°C   342° @ 053kt   54kt   58kt   3mm   OK
3:32:30z   24.45°N   65.01°W   696.5 hPa   2976m   982.2 hPa   12.0°C   3.2°C   340° @ 055kt   56kt   59kt   3mm   OK
3:33:00z   24.45°N   65.00°W   696.5 hPa   2968m   982.4 hPa   11.0°C   3.5°C   336° @ 055kt   57kt   57kt   2mm   OK
3:33:30z   24.46°N   64.58°W   697.4 hPa   2951m   981.6 hPa   11.0°C   3.8°C   338° @ 061kt   62kt   57kt   0mm   Suspect
3:34:00z   24.47°N   64.56°W   696.4 hPa   2953m   979.8 hPa   11.7°C   4.2°C   339° @ 060kt   61kt   57kt   0mm   OK
3:34:30z   24.48°N   64.55°W   696.6 hPa   2942m   978.5 hPa   12.0°C   4.4°C   335° @ 060kt   62kt   57kt   1mm   OK
3:35:00z   24.49°N   64.53°W   696.6 hPa   2929m   977.4 hPa   11.9°C   4.7°C   333° @ 061kt   62kt   60kt   2mm   OK
3:35:30z   24.49°N   64.52°W   697.0 hPa   2914m   974.9 hPa   12.8°C   5.0°C   331° @ 064kt   67kt   61kt   1mm   OK
3:36:00z   24.50°N   64.50°W   696.9 hPa   2901m   973.0 hPa   13.2°C   5.2°C   332° @ 071kt   72kt   62kt   0mm   OK
3:36:30z   24.51°N   64.48°W   697.0 hPa   2885m   971.0 hPa   13.7°C   5.5°C   334° @ 075kt   75kt   62kt   1mm   OK
3:37:00z   24.52°N   64.47°W   696.5 hPa   2870m   968.8 hPa   13.8°C   5.9°C   331° @ 074kt   76kt   65kt   0mm   OK
3:37:30z   24.53°N   64.45°W   697.0 hPa   2850m   966.3 hPa   14.4°C   6.2°C   331° @ 078kt   80kt   66kt   0mm   OK
3:38:00z   24.53°N   64.44°W   696.8 hPa   2828m   963.0 hPa   15.2°C   6.5°C   329° @ 083kt   84kt   70kt   3mm   OK
3:38:30z   24.54°N   64.42°W   696.2 hPa   2818m   959.3 hPa   16.5°C   6.8°C   333° @ 080kt   82kt   73kt   4mm   OK
3:39:00z   24.55°N   64.40°W   696.5 hPa   2791m   958.6 hPa   14.9°C   7.3°C   333° @ 071kt   76kt   70kt   4mm   OK
3:39:30z   24.56°N   64.39°W   696.1 hPa   2774m   958.1 hPa   13.2°C   7.6°C   328° @ 056kt   62kt   64kt   5mm   OK
3:40:00z   24.57°N   64.37°W   696.3 hPa   2755m   955.8 hPa   13.7°C   7.6°C   328° @ 041kt   46kt   43kt   1mm   OK
3:40:30z   24.58°N   64.35°W   696.6 hPa   2739m   954.2 hPa   14.1°C   7.6°C   321° @ 029kt   31kt   35kt   1mm   Suspect
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#3372 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:45 pm

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#3373 Postby Derek Ortt » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:48 pm

new GFS somewhat left through 48 hours
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#3374 Postby massweathernet » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:49 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:its not weakening rapidly at all

in fact, the western side has recovered slightly in the last hour


The eye has become slightly eroded on the western side since the new convection has fired up. Hopefully it'll recover!

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#3375 Postby drezee » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:54 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:new GFS somewhat left through 48 hours

Looking at the 72 hour, defintely TS winds on the Cape...closer
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Re: ATL: HURRICANE BILL (Models)

#3376 Postby Brent » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:55 pm

Way too close:

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#3377 Postby HURAKAN » Thu Aug 20, 2009 10:57 pm

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#3378 Postby RattleMan » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:00 pm

My internet connection has become incredibly slow; could someone take over while I try to fix it?
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#3379 Postby btangy » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:14 pm

GFS actually does the opposite of what the NAM has trended from 12 to 00Z runs and has the trough lifting out faster. Think the primary difference with Bill is the GFS speeds up the forward motion rather than any shift left or right of the track.

Nevertheless, there is a major discrepancy between how the trough is being handled over the CONUS. NAM is much more pronounced with a jet streak dipping S over the Dakotas right now. How much of this energy dips into the base of the trough and sharpens the southern end will determine how amplified and cut off the trough becomes. HPC believes the GFS is too quick to lift the trough out. Makes all the difference for Nova Scotia down the road.
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#3380 Postby HurricaneRobert » Thu Aug 20, 2009 11:17 pm

massweathernet wrote:The eye has become slightly eroded on the western side since the new convection has fired up. Hopefully it'll recover!


You sure you want that? Even if it slammed into New England?
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