H1N1 (Swine Flu) spreads worldwide= Is declared a Pandemic

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Re: Swine Flu spreads worldwide=U.S. declares Health Emergency

#21 Postby lurkey » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:05 pm

earthquake in Mexico :eek:

Magnitude 6.0
Date-Time Monday, April 27, 2009 at 16:46:31 UTC
Monday, April 27, 2009 at 11:46:31 AM at epicenter

Location 17.322°N, 99.326°W
Depth 41.2 km (25.6 miles)
Region GUERRERO, MEXICO
Distances 30 km (20 miles) SE of Chilpancingo, Guerrero, Mexico
80 km (50 miles) NE of Acapulco, Guerrero, Mexico
115 km (70 miles) S of Iguala, Guerrero, Mexico
230 km (145 miles) S of MEXICO CITY, D.F., Mexico

Location Uncertainty horizontal +/- 7 km (4.3 miles); depth +/- 11.4 km (7.1 miles)
Parameters NST=168, Nph=168, Dmin=>999 km, Rmss=0.86 sec, Gp=166°,
M-type=teleseismic moment magnitude (Mw), Version=6
Source USGS NEIC (WDCS-D)


Event ID us2009fya9

This event has been reviewed by a seismologist.
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#22 Postby RL3AO » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:28 pm

The center was much closer to Acapulco.
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#23 Postby cycloneye » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:35 pm

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#24 Postby Chacor » Mon Apr 27, 2009 12:56 pm

Reduced to 5.6. Started a thread in the geology area.
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#25 Postby cycloneye » Mon Apr 27, 2009 2:42 pm

Mexico death toll rises to 149

MEXICO CITY - Mexico's government is ordering closed schools nationwide as the suspected death toll from swine flu climbed to 149.

Health Secretary Jose Angel Cordova says only 20 of the deaths have been confirmed to be from swine flu and the government was awaiting tests results on the rest.

He says 1,995 have been hospitalized with serious cases of pneumonia since the first case of swine flu was reported on April 13. The government does not yet know how many were swine flu. Of those hospitalized, 1,070 have already been released.


http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/30434921/
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#26 Postby DESTRUCTION5 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:22 pm

Little under 200 have died from the pig virus...and 36,000 die yearly from the basic flu..

Ill take my chances....
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#27 Postby cycloneye » Mon Apr 27, 2009 4:40 pm

World Health Organization Raises Pandemic Alert Level to 4


(CNN) -- The World Health Organization has raised its pandemic alert level in response to the outbreak of swine flu that originated in Mexico.


Relatives of flu patients wait oustside Mexico's National Institute of Respiratory Diseases.

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The move to a level four alert indicates the world body has determined the virus is capable of significant human-to-human transmission.

Dr. Keiji Fukuda, WHO assistant director-general, said the move did not mean a pandemic was inevitable. He added the agency would focus efforts on mitigating, rather than containing the virus.

More cases were confirmed Monday in the United States, Canada and Europe. The WHO said the U.S. has confirmed 40 cases, Mexico 26, Canada six and Spain one. Two more were confirmed in Scotland.

http://edition.cnn.com/2009/HEALTH/04/2 ... index.html
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#28 Postby RL3AO » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:04 pm

DESTRUCTION5 wrote:Little under 200 have died from the pig virus...and 36,000 die yearly from the basic flu..

Ill take my chances....


Are the majority of those 36,000 healthy young and middle aged adults?
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#29 Postby artist » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:18 pm

according to my son, that works with a girl here in Palm Beach county, her boyfriend has been confirmed to have the swine flu and she is to be tested as well.
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#30 Postby DESTRUCTION5 » Mon Apr 27, 2009 5:53 pm

RL3AO wrote:
DESTRUCTION5 wrote:Little under 200 have died from the pig virus...and 36,000 die yearly from the basic flu..

Ill take my chances....


Are the majority of those 36,000 healthy young and middle aged adults?


Each flu season is unique, but it is estimated that, on average, approximately 5% to 20% of U.S. residents get the flu, and more than 200,000 persons are hospitalized for flu-related complications each year. About 36,000 Americans die on average per year from the complications of flu.

http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/qa/disease.htm
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#31 Postby Aslkahuna » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:13 pm

Normally, those who die from regular flu are among the elderly, young or those with compromised immune systems-this version is most dangerous to young adults-the groups least likely to have problems from regular flu.

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#32 Postby Stephanie » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:37 pm

artist wrote:according to my son, that works with a girl here in Palm Beach county, her boyfriend has been confirmed to have the swine flu and she is to be tested as well.


Were they in Mexico recently?
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#33 Postby lurkey » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:43 pm

Aslkahuna wrote:Normally, those who die from regular flu are among the elderly, young or those with compromised immune systems-this version is most dangerous to young adults-the groups least likely to have problems from regular flu.

Steve


D5, the last flu to target young adults was the Spanish flu. . . the reason they think it was so deadly for young adults versus the usual victims of the flu is the Spanish flu of 1918 caused cytokine storms. People with healthy immune systems overreacted to the flu viii and that is what killed them.
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#34 Postby cycloneye » Mon Apr 27, 2009 6:49 pm

Authorities investigating two cases in Puerto Rico

Breaking News from where I am in P.R. Authorities are investigating 2 woman that may have the Swine Flu,that came from Mexico a few days ago.They are in hospitals being examined and looking to see if really they have the flu after they felt ill.The link is in spanish but I told you the most important piece of news about this.

http://www.elnuevodia.com/investiganpos ... 62204.html
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#35 Postby artist » Mon Apr 27, 2009 7:10 pm

Stephanie wrote:
artist wrote:according to my son, that works with a girl here in Palm Beach county, her boyfriend has been confirmed to have the swine flu and she is to be tested as well.


Were they in Mexico recently?

I don't know for certain, but he didn't indicate that they had traveled. I will know more when he gets home later.
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#39 Postby Dionne » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:02 am

DESTRUCTION5 wrote:Little under 200 have died from the pig virus...and 36,000 die yearly from the basic flu..

Ill take my chances....



As of early this morning the kill ratio with this virus is 1/16. Those odds are nothing to take chances with.....

There is also the possibility that this is more than one virus.
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#40 Postby somethingfunny » Tue Apr 28, 2009 6:28 am

Dionne wrote:
DESTRUCTION5 wrote:Little under 200 have died from the pig virus...and 36,000 die yearly from the basic flu..

Ill take my chances....



As of early this morning the kill ratio with this virus is 1/16. Those odds are nothing to take chances with.....

There is also the possibility that this is more than one virus.


That 6% mortality rate has been pretty consistent with each set of numbers released by Mexico. I'm not sure I trust it because I think the number of cases in Mexico has been underreported. For instance there have only been 172 laboratory confirmed cases in Mexico compared to the 2,000+ generally being reported right now. Even those 2,000+ are only the ones who were sick enough to be hospitalized and therefore reported to the authorities. Especially before the outbreak became a national emergency, most people with milder cases probably just stayed home from work and slept for about a week like a normal flu. Consider that out of 50 confirmed cases in the US, only 2 patients are currently sick enough to be hospitalized. The only reason the other 48+ were reported is because of hypervigilant testing by medical authorities here and elsewhere around the world.

The math is still subject to variability, but if you were to apply that ratio to Mexican swine flu cases as well it gives you a total of 50,000 Mexicans infected with swine flu, 2,000 of which are sick enough to requite hospitalization, and 150 dead, or a 0.03% mortality rate.

This is the best explanations I can come up with as to why none of the cases outside of Mexico seem to be very severe (yet):
- Statistically, by applying the Mexican ratio (6% mortality) to American cases, we ought to have at least 3 deaths from swine flu in the U.S. by now, and since we don't that implies that the strain in Mexico is somehow different and more deadly than the strain that crossed the border (in multiple places and airports simultaneously, it seems)
- By applying the American statistics to the Mexican cases, the numbers suggest that 50,000 or more Mexicans may actually be infected with the swine flu or were infected over the past month, implying that the Mexican government has only been able to track down and report the most serious cases. (0.03% mortality)
- Since the strains in the US and in Mexico have been proven to be genetically identical in laboratory testing, and since the Mexican government is understandably overwhelmed right now....I'm leaning towards the second explanation.

The truth is probably somewhere in between. I wish we had more information as far as how sick the 2,000+ suspected/confirmed flu patients in Mexico who survived actually got, because that would explain alot as to whether the Mexican numbers are underestimated compared to American/global numbers, or not.


...All that said, I'm not as concerned with this as I was about 48 hours ago. Even though the virus has been confirmed to exist and is likely spreading here in DFW right now, so far all of the cases have been in schoolchildren (not young adults as the apocalyptic pandemic would target) and they've been pretty minor cases at that. Also, if the children had transmitted the disease to their parents we should have heard about it by now....so that's also a bit confusing.
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