2008 TCRs

[cag1953]

No Ed,we have them here in Florida too!

[DESTRUCTION5]

BTW, next time, if you stop at WaterBurger for taquitos before the meeting, you're not the meteorologist who put on a PowerPoint show, you're the guy that brought breakfast.

Either you haven't lived in Texas as long as I thought you had or you know something about their burgers I don't

Been calling them that for decades. Been to the two story one in Corpus Christi after a night at the clubs. Been to the WaterBurger in Lafayette, LA, which I suspect is the Easternmost one in America.

Are we talking about Whataburger? LOL

If so there are 2 in Ocala alone...Ohh and thier damn good too..

[Alacane2]

BTW, next time, if you stop at WaterBurger for taquitos before the meeting, you're not the meteorologist who put on a PowerPoint show, you're the guy that brought breakfast.

Yeah...here in Mobile, we have 3 or 4. Just ate dinner there this evening.

[wxman57]

Testing, 1, 2, 3. OK, we're ready for the real TCRs (Ike, Gustav, Dolly, Fay, Edouard, etc.). First hurricane conference of the season is in 6 weeks and I know there will be a 2008 review in the agenda presented by the NHC, so the reports need to be completed by then.

[somethingfunny]

Edouard is already out. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/TCR-AL052008_Edouard.pdf

Atlantic TCRs we are still waiting for:
Dolly, Fay, Gustav, Ike, Laura (why?), Omar and Paloma.

The EPAC is still slacking on Cristina and Julio for some reason.

[wxman57]

Edouard is already out. http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/TCR-AL052008_Edouard.pdf

Atlantic TCRs we are still waiting for:
Dolly, Fay, Gustav, Ike, Laura (why?), Omar and Paloma.

The EPAC is still slacking on Cristina and Julio for some reason.

Yeah, forgot Edouard was out. Big deal. I make my first presentation on Ike's effects/impact in 9 days. Could use the final report by then.

[CrazyC83]

Testing, 1, 2, 3. OK, we're ready for the real TCRs (Ike, Gustav, Dolly, Fay, Edouard, etc.). First hurricane conference of the season is in 6 weeks and I know there will be a 2008 review in the agenda presented by the NHC, so the reports need to be completed by then.

I doubt all of them will be done by then - I would think Laura would be done by then (I'm surprised it is not yet out being the last short Atlantic one and the remaining EPAC ones should be quick as well), but a couple of the larger ones could still be outstanding then. I'm guessing it won't be until well into March (maybe April) before all is done.

[Derek Ortt]

patience everyone. The reports are coming

[wxman57]

patience everyone. The reports are coming

Derek, will you be at the IHC in St. Petersburg, FL the first week of March?

[Derek Ortt]

not that conference. My advisor might be though.

I believe the reports have to be out prior to the conference and they are being worked on

[CrazyC83]

Didn't it take until April to release Erin's report last year?

Also, if there are any unnamed storms added (best candidate is the Carolinas storm in late September), they would likely come last.

[Derek Ortt]

Didn't it take until April to release Erin's report last year?

Also, if there are any unnamed storms added (best candidate is the Carolinas storm in late September), they would likely come last.

that storm is NOT likely to be upgraded. It was not tropical

[hurricanetrack]

Ok, then sub-tropical would suffice. I was in that one and it was a very similar event to any tropical storm I have been in. I should have taken detailed readings of temp, etc. but I am sure the local WFOs have them. I do remember very clearly though that it became warmer as the center approached the NC/SC border area. A warmer center than the periphery seems to me to be something other than purely non-tropical. There was a lot of recon data to suggest it was partially tropical but I cannot cite it off the top of my head. While I agree that it was not purely a tropical storm, it was, in my opinion, sub-tropical. How can we have Laura and not get this un-named storm named? It does not matter too much, it was certainly an interesting system- its moisture was strewn north and stretched out ahead of Kyle which I went after all the way to Maine. Mr. No-named storm and its moisture stayed with me for several days it seemed. I have never been in rain for such a long period of time in all of my life- not even during Dennis/Floyd! Nothing but rain, rain and more rain all the way from NC to Maine and half-way back! That was horrible. At least it was not too heavy and caused only minor problems.

[Derek Ortt]

Ok, then sub-tropical would suffice. I was in that one and it was a very similar event to any tropical storm I have been in. I should have taken detailed readings of temp, etc. but I am sure the local WFOs have them. I do remember very clearly though that it became warmer as the center approached the NC/SC border area. A warmer center than the periphery seems to me to be something other than purely non-tropical. There was a lot of recon data to suggest it was partially tropical but I cannot cite it off the top of my head. While I agree that it was not purely a tropical storm, it was, in my opinion, sub-tropical. How can we have Laura and not get this un-named storm named? It does not matter too much, it was certainly an interesting system- its moisture was strewn north and stretched out ahead of Kyle which I went after all the way to Maine. Mr. No-named storm and its moisture stayed with me for several days it seemed. I have never been in rain for such a long period of time in all of my life- not even during Dennis/Floyd! Nothing but rain, rain and more rain all the way from NC to Maine and half-way back! That was horrible. At least it was not too heavy and caused only minor problems.

extra-tropical cyclones can also have warm cores due to a warm bubble being trapped near the surface. I believe there was also some question if the frontal structure had completely decayed

Laura was clearly non-frontal; thus, it gets the designation, while the Carolinas system does not

One thing that probably should be upgraded, but there is not any hard data to be sure, is the system that was south of Nana. Looked similar to Marco... just no data to prove it was a TS

[CrazyC83]

Simply my opinion on that storm...

I believe there were two low centers based on where the fronts were located when that storm was moving in towards shore.

Low 1 (clearly extratropical) was located off the coast of Delaware and New Jersey). It had both a warm front and a cold front attached to it, and the cold front was part of the genesis of Low 2. Some of the moisture was intertwined with the second low but they clearly had separate centers in my opinion. The cold front stretched back over the Carolinas but moved northward without lifting the second low.

Low 2 (warm core) was the storm itself. I don't think the fronts lined up to that low center suggesting it was unrelated and non-frontal, and once Low 1 moved out, it moved inland with a solid structure. It was definitely warm-core at 850mb at least based on Recon observations. Although there was no data from higher levels, a 7°C differential normally suggests it was warm core way up as well. I personally believe that Low 2 was a tropical storm at landfall and at least for 18-24 hours ahead of landfall, and a subtropical storm from at least 36 hours before landfall.

[hurricanetrack]

It is complicated- that much seems clear. Perhaps a simple system of classification would help. If it is a closed circulation with winds to TS force anywhere then it is a TS. If it meets those two criteria but is over water cooler than 80F then call it sub-tropical.

[Derek Ortt]

It is complicated- that much seems clear. Perhaps a simple system of classification would help. If it is a closed circulation with winds to TS force anywhere then it is a TS. If it meets those two criteria but is over water cooler than 80F then call it sub-tropical.

we'd run out of Greek letters every year if we used that system, Mark. We get many frontal lows every year with TS winds

[CrazyC83]

Dolly's TCR is out.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/TCR-AL042008_Dolly.pdf

75 kt at landfall (a bit surprising, most suspected 80-85 kt). Damage in the US at $1.05 billion.

[HURAKAN]

Dolly's TCR is out.

The storm moved northwestward and, for unknown reasons, soon became disorganized.

Sometimes we're not the only ones frustrated when a storm reacts different from what it's expected and we don't know why!!!

[Derek Ortt]

Dolly's TCR is out.

http://www.nhc.noaa.gov/pdf/TCR-AL042008_Dolly.pdf

75 kt at landfall (a bit surprising, most suspected 80-85 kt). Damage in the US at $1.05 billion.

70KT when ti struck the mainland.

That is all the data justified and I would not have even made it a cat 2 at all

This should serve as a reminder about how destructive a low to moderate cat 1 hurricane can be