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#901 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Fri Oct 24, 2008 3:59 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:hopefully we drop under 60 in the not too distant future

would do next to anything for prices to drop back to the ~30 a barrel they used to be. I'd love to pay $1.35 per gallon of gas



Saudi Arabia can pump oil at that price profitably, although since they produce nothing else of value, their economy would still be hurt.


But that would probably mean another 1983 or 1998 crash where half of all American oil field workers are thrown out of work, and many low rate wells are permanently abandoned, so when demand increases again, this country is even more dependent on foreign oil.

An eight ounce can of Red Bull costs a lot less to make, and costs more, than a gallon of gas. (Not all bad, lets that Austrian guy who sells it sponsor four Formula 1 race cars and an air racing series). Big oil companies return on investment is quite in line with most major industries, but for some reason the people working hard to make this country less dependent on countries that hate us for oil are the bad guys.
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Re: Oil price over $147 for the first time-now below $70

#902 Postby HURAKAN » Fri Oct 24, 2008 7:44 pm

Oil falls despite production cuts

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President of Opec, Chakib Khelil on why the decision was made to cut oil production

World oil prices have continued to fall, undermining oil cartel Opec's efforts to steady prices by cutting output by 1.5 million barrels a day.

The decision to cut about 5% of the cartel's total daily output came after an emergency Opec meeting in Vienna.

The move did not halt the sliding oil price with US sweet, light crude down $3.69 at $64.15 after wild swings saw greater falls in earlier trade.

Recession fears have pulled oil down from a high of $147 a barrel in July.

The sell-off also hit London Brent, down $4.40 at $61.52.

Dramatic collapse

In a statement after the meeting, Opec said it had cut output because supply outpaced demand, and prices had collapsed dramatically in recent weeks.


There's not going to be any impact on inflation, there's not going to be any impact on growth

OPEC President Chakib Khelil

The cut will take effect from 1 November.

The 13-nation producers group, responsible for producing about 40% of the world's total supply, said it would continue to provide the market with the crude oil volumes required by consumers.

Analysts had expected Opec to cut output by at least one million barrels a day and some producers - such as Venezuela and Iran - wanted greater cuts.

More cuts?

OPEC President Chakib Khelil said because Opec members produce about 300,000 barrels a day more than the official quota of close to 29 million barrels, the total reduction by the end of the year would be about 1.8 million barrels a day.

Mr Khelil rejected the suggestion that the decision would hurt the global economy.

"There's not going to be any impact on inflation, there's not going to be any impact on growth."

Opec oil ministers said that they would review their decision at their next meeting in December, leaving open the possibility of further cuts beforehand if necessary.

Revenue worries

Observers said that the failure of oil prices to climb suggested that Opec was losing its power.

"The power to influence oil prices is moving farther and farther away from Opec," said oil analyst Stephen Schork.

"Everyone thought China and India would go on buying oil forever, but that's not the case. The demand is no longer there. People fooled themselves when they said emerging markets could weather a US downturn."

Ahead of the meeting, some of the cartel's members called for a reduction in output to stop the fall in prices: Venezuela wanted production to be cut by a million barrels a day, while Iran had called for a cut twice that size.

The two countries are thought to be most in need of a relatively high oil price - around $100 a barrel - to finance government spending, says the BBC's economics correspondent, Andrew Walker.

Iran relies almost entirely on its oil exports for government revenue: for every dollar off the price of a barrel of oil, the country loses roughly $1bn a year in revenue.

But British Prime Minister Gordon Brown warned that any reduction made in a bid to push up oil prices would be "scandalous" at a time when major economies were close to tipping into recession.

Motorists benefit

Oil prices hit an all-time high of $147 a barrel in July, but have since fallen back steadily.

Prices now stand at levels not seen since last spring, amid fears a global economic recession will cut demand.

The price that motorists have been paying for petrol at forecourts has been falling recently.

A price war has broken out among leading UK supermarkets with Asda, Sainsbury's, Tesco and Morrisons all announcing cheaper petrol on Friday.

But some observers believe moves to reduce production could reverse that trend.
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Re: Oil price over $147 for the first time-now below $70

#903 Postby Stephanie » Fri Oct 24, 2008 8:16 pm

With less production and less travel, I'll bet that consumption is down.

$2.40 for regular. :D
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Re: Oil price over $147 for the first time-now below $70

#904 Postby vbhoutex » Fri Oct 24, 2008 10:56 pm

I paid 2.299 today!!!!! I almost passed out when I filled up the car for less than $30.00!!! Sadly I remember when I paid $2.00 a gallon less than that!
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#905 Postby Stephanie » Sat Oct 25, 2008 9:08 am

vbhoutex wrote:I paid 2.299 today!!!!! I almost passed out when I filled up the car for less than $30.00!!! Sadly I remember when I paid $2.00 a gallon less than that!


WOW! I know it's taken a while for it to go down in your area with Ike and all. That's great! :D
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#906 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:19 pm

It was down to $ 2.67 ish here for regular...wow I hope the price
keeps dropping cause paying for driving is expensive...KEEP
on droppin BABY!!!!!!!!!

In Any Case, I have refused to drive except in very urgent situations:
(you have to stock up on food, lol)
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Re: Oil price over $147 for the first time-now below $70

#907 Postby SimplyHavingFun » Sun Oct 26, 2008 8:25 pm

Happy to report that in Pasco county, north of Tampa, I just paid $2.51 @ Walmart! Sure hope this trend continues!
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#908 Postby Dionne » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:02 am

We took a weekend trip all along the Mississippi gulf coast....the highest gas was 2.99 the lowest was 2.34. The pricing is not consistent.....it can change 30 cents per gallon in just a couple of miles.
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#909 Postby lurkey » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:12 am

Gas prices on the eastern outskirts of Raleigh are now < $2.50/gallon. The lowest gas price in Raleigh is now $2.55/gallon (fortunately it's gas station I know the location of and willing to arrange to be "in the area" to get gas at).
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#910 Postby senorpepr » Mon Oct 27, 2008 8:35 am

On base we're paying $3.123/gal (down about 23.7 cents from last week).
Off base the price is €1.279/l or about $6.101/gal (down about 35.6 cents from last week).


Meanwhile, my parents are paying $2.069/gal (one of the cheapest prices in the nation).
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#911 Postby vbhoutex » Mon Oct 27, 2008 9:40 am

Dionne wrote:We took a weekend trip all along the Mississippi gulf coast....the highest gas was 2.99 the lowest was 2.34. The pricing is not consistent.....it can change 30 cents per gallon in just a couple of miles.


We see that inconsistency from block to block here in Houston. It seems to change like that going from poorer to richer areas, but that is not always the case. The lowest I have seen so far in Houston is 2.279/gallon.
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Re: Oil price over $147 for the first time-now below $70

#912 Postby Dionne » Tue Oct 28, 2008 6:38 am

In this mornings news.....Kroger in Byram, Mississippi....2.09 per gallon.....customers using their Kroger card for discounts receive an additional 10 % off.....that puts the price under 2.00!!!
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Re: Oil price over $147 for the first time-now below $70

#913 Postby Stephanie » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:11 pm

$2.28 for regular today. :D
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#914 Postby MGC » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:15 pm

I just concluded a road trip from the Mississippi Gulf Coast down to Key West and back. Gas down in Key West over the weekend was 2.89. Filled up just near St. Augustine and it was 2.59. Gas in Gulfport was 2.23......MGC
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Re: Oil price over $147 for the first time-now below $70

#915 Postby O Town » Tue Oct 28, 2008 7:55 pm

Lowest price for my zip is $2.41
Average is $2.64
Highest $2.81

Put in your zip to find lowest in your area.
Dionne wrote:In this mornings news.....Kroger in Byram, Mississippi....2.09 per gallon.....customers using their Kroger card for discounts receive an additional 10 % off.....that puts the price under 2.00!!!

That amazing!! :D
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#916 Postby lurkey » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:28 am

First Triangle (Raleigh, Durham and Chapel Hill area) gas station falls below $2.50 over in Cary (and if you get a car wash it's $2.29/gallon) Meanwhile, just east of Raleigh (and in the same county), in Zebulon and Wendell , the price war goes on. . . a Zebulon gas station falls to $2.29/gallon (w/o the car wash). . . .
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#917 Postby southerngale » Wed Oct 29, 2008 9:39 am

I filled up at $2.12/gal. yesterday.
The regular price was higher, but I got a discount for previous purchases at Kroger.
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#918 Postby vbhoutex » Wed Oct 29, 2008 12:48 pm

southerngale wrote:I filled up at $2.12/gal. yesterday.
The regular price was higher, but I got a discount for previous purchases at Kroger.


That is where I will fill up when I need to next time. While the prices were higher I didn't feel like it was worth it to go as far as I have to to get to one, but now it probably will be. Lowest advertised so far in Houston that I know about is 2.099.
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#919 Postby somethingfunny » Wed Oct 29, 2008 3:49 pm

Well, I said I would, and I am....actually, it hit $1.99 yesterday at the Wal-Mart in Denison, Texas. (actually it's $2.02 but with a Wal-Mart card you get an additional $.03 off per gallon...)

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Re: Oil price over $147 for the first time-now below $70

#920 Postby Brent » Wed Oct 29, 2008 4:55 pm

Someone just told me it's $1.99 about 20 miles south of here... :eek:
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