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Re: ATL IKE: Category 4 - Discussion

#1221 Postby Texas Snowman » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:13 am

Couldn't help but noticing today with Ike that it seems like a repeat of last week all over again! :lol:

LW, there were those (myself included) who thought that Gustav would wind up closer to Houston than New Orleans (obviously wrong). As we opined such thoughts, some gently and some not so gently pointed out the excellent track record of NHC on track guidance this year (Fay being the exception).

So, I sat back and watched as the NHC put on a textbook display of a big 'cane hitting nearly in their bullseye from several days out - a truly great job by the NHC.

Now, with Ike ramping up (perhaps to become the strongest 'cane of the season) it seems like deja vu all over again - some pointing out that the NHC is to be trusted, others saying, no if you read between the lines or follow this model or that, it will take a northerly move and recurve.

I got to tell you, this is a great board to be a part of!

But after being taken to the woodshed last week by the NHC's track guidance on Gus, I'm sticking with their cone of uncertainty until there is sufficent reason to think otherwise.

So, my take is that SE Florida and the Keys had better be on high alert in a few days.
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 4 - Discussion

#1222 Postby Texas Snowman » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:19 am

In fact, until there is more reason to trust a northward move, I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Ike has a very good chance to score a double hit on the U.S.

Like Andrew and Katrina, a Florida hit first, then somewhere on the GOM side next.
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#1223 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:26 am

At 5, they could bump up the winds if best track agrees and satellite presentation continues to look amazing. Compared to Gustav, Ike could easily have 140+ winds now. Unfortunately, we won't have recon for Ike till Friday.
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 4 - Discussion

#1224 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:28 am

3:45z Ir shown a system that looks as good if not better then Gustav at his peak. I'm having a hard time saying it is lower then 125 knots, possibly 130 knots. No recon so we wil never know for sure.
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#1225 Postby Sal Collaziano » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:31 am

Maybe it's just me but it seems there are a lot of storms already pointed at Florida this year.. I have a feeling we'll (Florida residents) be dodging a TON of bullets.. It seems like they're all heading directly at us at one point or another - but they all end up either going south or turning northeast and away. It's interesting...
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 4 - Discussion

#1226 Postby ak8s » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:33 am

Amateur Question :wink: : At this point there is no recon so wind speed is just a guess at this stage of the game based on how the storm looks, right? I remember last week Gustav looked stronger than he was at the time and many thought it would be upgraded (again based on how it looked) but recon data suggested otherwise.

How can we be SURE without recon that this is truly a Cat 4 hurricane right now?
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#1227 Postby foladar » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:35 am

Sal Collaziano wrote:Maybe it's just me but it seems there are a lot of storms already pointed at Florida this year.. I have a feeling we'll (Florida residents) be dodging a TON of bullets.. It seems like they're all heading directly at us at one point or another - but they all end up either going south or turning northeast and away. It's interesting...

And lets hopefully to continue to dodge more bullets. I don't want anything even near south or central Florida. You guys elsewhere can have it. I did see someone mention recon on Friday, does anyone know a timeframe for that? Would they be leaving early Friday?
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#1228 Postby Meso » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:37 am

OMG! :O What just happened, I went to sleep like 7 hours ago to a low Cat 1 storm and now wake up to a category 4. Absolutely amazing, this season is really turning out to be an exciting one ( from a trackers point of view ).. Truly astonishing. Will be interesting to see the satellite images after the eclipse
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#1229 Postby Hurricanewatcher2007 » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:42 am

foladar wrote:
Sal Collaziano wrote:Maybe it's just me but it seems there are a lot of storms already pointed at Florida this year.. I have a feeling we'll (Florida residents) be dodging a TON of bullets.. It seems like they're all heading directly at us at one point or another - but they all end up either going south or turning northeast and away. It's interesting...

And lets hopefully to continue to dodge more bullets. I don't want anything even near south or central Florida. You guys elsewhere can have it. I did see someone mention recon on Friday, does anyone know a timeframe for that? Would they be leaving early Friday?


4. ADDITIONAL DAY OUTLOOK: POSSIBLY START 12-HRLY FIXES ON
TROPICAL STORM IKE AT 05/1800Z NEAR 21.5N 69.0W.

I think its in the afternoon around 2 or something like that.
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#1230 Postby Cyclenall » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:54 am

If the NHC was correct on their 5:00 pm intensity, this type of rate of intensification would be along the lines of some of the fastest ever obserbed in the Atlantic (45 knots in 6 hours!!!). However, since I believe the NHC was far off in strength for the prevoius 12 hours, I don't believe it was historic RI but among some of the more amazing ones. Some of the models may have caught on to it very early on but stopped recently. You can pretty much toss out the old model runs because of the lack of good data on the strength on the TC. The new runs should be quite intresting.

I agree with Matt, there is a thicker red ring on AVN images showing strengthening continuing. It could be 120-125 knots currently depending on how much the eye warms.
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 4 - Discussion

#1231 Postby thetruesms » Thu Sep 04, 2008 12:55 am

ak8s wrote:Amateur Question :wink: : At this point there is no recon so wind speed is just a guess at this stage of the game based on how the storm looks, right? I remember last week Gustav looked stronger than he was at the time and many thought it would be upgraded (again based on how it looked) but recon data suggested otherwise.

How can we be SURE without recon that this is truly a Cat 4 hurricane right now?
In all honesty, you can't be sure of anything without in situ measurement. You just have to trust that it will behave like previous comparisons of remote and in situ measurement have behaved in the past. Just because Gustav was weird doesn't mean that Ike is, as well. Regardless, even if it's not exactly as strong as estimated, it's still a quite powerful storm - You won't be looking at a tropical storm or minimal hurricane with that kind of satellite presentation.
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 4 - Discussion

#1232 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:23 am

3:45z
http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tcdat/tc08/A ... .100pc.jpg

5:00z
http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tcdat/tc08/A ... .100pc.jpg

Colder convection around the northwestern quad. Also smaller eye. I think 130 knots.
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 4 - Discussion

#1233 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:32 am

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tcdat/tc07/A ... .100pc.jpg

This now has colder cloud tops then a 145 knot hurricane Felix. In fact during this time it was likely even higher then that 145 knots based on some recon data. Ike is impressive right now big time.


This has a more rounded red ring around its eye currently then Ivan. In colder cloud tops!!!!
http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tcdat/tc04/A ... N-796W.jpg
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 4 - Discussion

#1234 Postby zaqxsw75050 » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:43 am

But notice that the eye of Ike is not as circular as Felix or Ivan.
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 4 - Discussion

#1235 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:46 am

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tcdat/tc08/A ... .100pc.jpg

5:30z

Yeah I see that. But Ike is a very strong cyclone.
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 4 - Discussion

#1236 Postby Brent » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:57 am

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Re: ATL IKE: Category 4 - Discussion

#1237 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Sep 04, 2008 1:59 am

Brent wrote:Image



If that pink band wraps all the way around and the eye clears out some more. I expect then it will become a cat5.
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 4 - Discussion

#1238 Postby bighaben » Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:04 am

Wow! Where did this thing come from? This is what happens when we all pay attention to Hanna.

I'm thinking way in the future right now, but I gotta worry, what are the chances of this thing getting into the gulf? My local met said it would, but a high building in from the west would steer it into Florida. As I live in SE Texas, I gotta hope it stays away from me, we had enough to worry about with Edouard and Gustav.
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Re: ATL IKE: Category 4 - Discussion

#1239 Postby zaqxsw75050 » Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:09 am

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tcdat/tc08/ATL/09L.IKE/ir/geo/1km/20080904.0530.msg2.x.ir1km.09LIKE.65kts-987mb-222N-550W.100pc.jpg

5:30z

Yeah I see that. But Ike is a very strong cyclone.


yeah, he is looking good. Hard to believe he was a TS 12 hours ago.
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#1240 Postby Meso » Thu Sep 04, 2008 2:19 am

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Ecplise over on the floater
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