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#2141 Postby RL3AO » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:31 pm

HouTXmetro wrote:Maybe Dry air but I'm not buying NE jog...unless Recon shows that I highly doubt it. I think people are being deceived by the radar.


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#2142 Postby Shockwave » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:32 pm

HouTXmetro wrote:Maybe Dry air but I'm not buying NE jog...unless Recon shows that I highly doubt it. I think people are being deceived by the radar.


I don't see how's that possible. You can clearly see the center move NE and on two different radar views.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#2143 Postby Tireman4 » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:36 pm

Dr Neil Frank, (whom I trust like my good Bridgestone tires) said this

Doc said the eye is reforming east, but track has not changed. Not good news as it indicates possible strengthening, and even more time over water.

Gene chimed in that it looks like the system is taking a pause (slowing down).


This was taken from another board. Just FYI.
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#2144 Postby SouthFloridawx » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:37 pm

RL3AO wrote:
HouTXmetro wrote:Maybe Dry air but I'm not buying NE jog...unless Recon shows that I highly doubt it. I think people are being deceived by the radar.

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Perhaps a LA landfall is becoming more and more likely. Perhaps by tomorrow morning...
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#2145 Postby Shockwave » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:38 pm

Tireman4 wrote:Dr Neil Frank, (whom I trust like my good Bridgestone tires) said this

Doc said the eye is reforming east, but track has not changed. Not good news as it indicates possible strengthening, and even more time over water.

Gene chimed in that it looks like the system is taking a pause (slowing down).


This was taken from another board. Just FYI.


I ahte to disagree with a pro, since I haven't had to take the rigerous courses yet, but I don't see how it looks to be reforming east of the convection, when you can clearly see it all moving as a whole.
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#2146 Postby HouTXmetro » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:39 pm

Shockwave wrote:
HouTXmetro wrote:Maybe Dry air but I'm not buying NE jog...unless Recon shows that I highly doubt it. I think people are being deceived by the radar.


I don't see how's that possible. You can clearly see the center move NE and on two different radar views.


Ummm.... I doubt it, check out the long range NWS radar out of Lake Charles. No NE Jump. What you saw was an area void of convection that opened up to the NE. The storm did not Jog NE. Notice a much tighter wall trying to close off to the WNW.

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid= ... 1&loop=yes
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#2147 Postby Wx_Warrior » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:40 pm

I am not sold on Eddie going elsewhere.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#2148 Postby hriverajr » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:41 pm

Just Temporary or just appears to be moving NE, No way can it sustain any kind of movement in that direction. If it does then I get to eat crow.
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#2149 Postby Bailey1777 » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:42 pm

How far does the periphery of the high to ed's north streth to the west?
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#2150 Postby HouTXmetro » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:43 pm

In related news

The National Weather Service in League City has issued a

* Severe Thunderstorm Warning for...
northern Harris County (Houston) in southeast Texas...
southern Montgomery County in southeast Texas...


* until 715 PM CDT

* at 630 PM CDT... National Weather Service Doppler radar indicated a
severe thunderstorm. This storm was located near The
Woodlands... moving west at 18 mph. Damaging winds above 60 mph are
possible.

* Locations in the Severe Thunderstorm Warning include but are not
limited to Hooks Airport... Tomball... The Woodlands... Spring...
Shenandoah... Pinehurst... Oak Ridge North and Magnolia.

Please report severe weather to the County sheriff... local police...
or department of public safety and ask them to relay your report to
the National Weather Service.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#2151 Postby Normandy » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:43 pm

You guys are being fooled by radar, this storm isn't moving N or NE, I see a crawl to the W....The center is slowing down due to all the bursting convection over Ed....I'd say landfall time probably will need to be pushed back to noon tom. Remember folks, Ed is being steered by a dominant High to its north, it wont bust through that high and move N or NE. The path is very very straightforward.
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#2152 Postby Smurfwicked » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:43 pm

HouTXmetro wrote:
Shockwave wrote:
HouTXmetro wrote:Maybe Dry air but I'm not buying NE jog...unless Recon shows that I highly doubt it. I think people are being deceived by the radar.


I don't see how's that possible. You can clearly see the center move NE and on two different radar views.


Ummm.... I doubt it, check out the long range NWS radar out of Lake Charles. No NE Jump. What you saw was an area void of convection that opened up to the NE. The storm did not Jog NE. Notice a much tighter wall trying to close off to the WNW.

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid= ... 1&loop=yes



I agree that is what I see too. If anything perhaps it might be expanding a little but not changing general direction? Wouldn't that make sense considering the increase wind field?
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#2153 Postby vaffie » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:43 pm

looking more like a hurricane by the hour.

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc_pages/tc0 ... atest.html
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#2154 Postby Shockwave » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:44 pm

HouTXmetro wrote:
Shockwave wrote:
HouTXmetro wrote:Maybe Dry air but I'm not buying NE jog...unless Recon shows that I highly doubt it. I think people are being deceived by the radar.


I don't see how's that possible. You can clearly see the center move NE and on two different radar views.


Ummm.... I doubt it, check out the long range NWS radar out of Lake Charles. No NE Jump. What you saw was an area void of convection that opened up to the NE. The storm did not Jog NE. Notice a much tighter wall trying to close off to the WNW.

http://radar.weather.gov/radar.php?rid= ... 1&loop=yes


From that radar view, too me, it doesn't even look like it's moving. But at the end of the frame, I honestly think I see a LITTLE NE jog. I already hate this system. 8-)
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#2155 Postby dhweather » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:45 pm

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Usually, you laugh at an extreme outlier, such as cliper (CLP5).

Moments like these make them not so funny.
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#2156 Postby HouTXmetro » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:46 pm

Shockwave wrote:
From that radar view, too me, it doesn't even look like it's moving. But at the end of the frame, I honestly think I see a LITTLE NE jog. I already hate this system. 8-)


Invest Dolly was MUCH more fustrating than this...
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#2157 Postby RL3AO » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:46 pm

Normandy wrote:You guys are being fooled by radar, this storm isn't moving N or NE, I see a crawl to the W....The center is slowing down due to all the bursting convection over Ed....I'd say landfall time probably will need to be pushed back to noon tom. Remember folks, Ed is being steered by a dominant High to its north, it wont bust through that high and move N or NE. The path is very very straightforward.


It jogged to the north. Recon showed it with the VDM fixes. No big deal. Radar is not showing an illusion.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#2158 Postby dolebot_Broward_NW » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:46 pm

I don't see how's that possible. You can clearly see the center move NE and on two different radar views.


I see it too, but remember that radar is not a straight shot - its pointed upwards at an angle (Base reflectivity is at 0.5 degrees.) The radar in question is the long range version, which goes out 286 miles. The "center" in question is over 100 miles away from the radar site (closer to 150 miles).

http://www.srh.noaa.gov/radar/radinfo/radinfo.html

Do the trig quickly - @ 150 miles - theta is 0.5 - tan (0.5) = opp/150 all equals about 1.3 miles in the air: ~6900 feet up.

This means the "center" is not at the surface, but more towards mid-level.

Have a look at the short range, especially the composite reflectivity and you'll see the whole picture. Its just an anomaly. Its not moving NE.
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#2159 Postby Texashawk » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:47 pm

vaffie wrote:looking more like a hurricane by the hour.

http://www.nrlmry.navy.mil/tc_pages/tc0 ... atest.html


Gosh, that's the most impressive 'weak' tropical storm I've ever seen!!! :D
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Re: ATL: Tropical Storm Edouard - Gulf of Mexico

#2160 Postby cycloneye » Mon Aug 04, 2008 6:47 pm

The last visible pic of the day:

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