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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L in Central Caribbean

#2981 Postby srainhoutx » Sat Jul 19, 2008 8:57 am

wxman57 wrote:Looking at 94L on satellite today, it's still having a tough fight with that upper low to its west. Just an open wave, no LLC. Recon won't find anything but that this afternoon, most likely. Yes, the upper low is helping to enhance the convection, but the circulation just can't get going yet. I think it's a net negative effect as far as 94L's development. One thing that the upper low is doing is helping to generate convection farther north, well north of 15N. This would be the place to watch for possible development. So the key is what will that upper low do? GFS moves it west pretty quickly to the northern Yucatan. The convection would follow it westward, moving toward the northern to central Yucatan. The upper low is forecast to weaken in another 24 hours, so maybe 94L can get organized late today or Sunday. Probably no TD this afternoon.

Now the GFDL develops 94L instantly and takes it more northwestward, and that's probably an error. A weaker system tracks into the northern Yucatan as the GFS is forecasting and I'd go with that. Wind shear looks a bit strong as it moves into the Gulf on Monday morning, but the GFS forecast is for decreasing shear Monday afternoon. I think that's when there will be a good chance of strengthening/development. Model guidance is concentrated on northern MX to TX. Looks reasonable, though I'd go with the lower TX coast to northern MX for landfall on Wednesday. As for intensity, most likely a TS but I wouldn't rule out hurricane strength by any means. The difference between a TS and a hurricane is only maybe 3-6 hours of reduced shear.

Oh, and Bones says "point out that it hasn't developed yet". I told him to go sit back down until it moves inland next week.


Double Post Advisory as Ed would say.
Still have tape on Bones' mouth I take it. :lol: Thanks for the update wxman57.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L in Central Caribbean

#2982 Postby CYCLONE MIKE » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:09 am

wxman, I know you don't agree with the northerly models showing tx, la landfall, but what are they seeing to show a track that takes the system that far north?
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#2983 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:14 am

Derek Ortt wrote:for one... I don't see this developing into a cyclone until it is in the GOM

it is a very rare occurrance that a cyclone that develops in the GOM becomes a major hurricane. In the last 25 years we have Bret and Bret alone (as for previously, do not include Audrey... the cat 1 according to the Jarvinen study or 100KT at 850mb flight level cat 3 Alica).

2. HWRF is so inconsistent. Netx run it very well could keep this as an open wave. GFDL has some other issues regarding its intensity forecasts (not sure if they reduced the forcing or not... previously, its forcing was a bit too high)



Audrey may have made landfall as a Cat 1, with its large size as it expanded contributing to the fairly significant and fatal surge, but it probably weakened to Cat 1 from a major, from what I've read.

Of course, I'm not sure if Audrey originated in the Gulf or Caribbean...
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L in Central Caribbean

#2984 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:17 am

After staring intently at visible loop, and there is sparse enough storm activity to see low clouds, the winds South of the 'center' are from the SSE, strongly suggesting there is no closed circulation for the plane to find. I hate cancelling missions, but I'd be amazed if recon finds anything.
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#2985 Postby HURAKAN » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:22 am

19/1145 UTC 14.3N 76.1W T1.5/1.5 94L
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L in Central Caribbean

#2986 Postby caneman » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:22 am

I'll bet a nickel this will be a TD by tomorrow morning.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L in Central Caribbean

#2987 Postby cheezyWXguy » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:23 am

Well, although I dont expect a center to form for at least another 12-24 hours, I think i see what might be the beginning stages of it forming. Im beginning to notice low level inflow to the south, feeding into the deepest convection, around 15N. This will be a slow process, but its possible.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L in Central Caribbean

#2988 Postby Bane » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:24 am

caneman wrote:I'll bet a nickel this will be a TD by tomorrow morning.



several people on this site have already lost a lot of nickels.
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#2989 Postby cheezyWXguy » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:24 am

HURAKAN wrote:19/1145 UTC 14.3N 76.1W T1.5/1.5 94L

up from the 1.0 yesterday i believe
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L in Central Caribbean

#2990 Postby SkyDragon » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:25 am

At this rate 94L will be nearly on top of the Yucatan tomorrow morning!
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#2991 Postby SkyDragon » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:26 am

Oh well, at least there is something else to track. :D
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#2992 Postby Chacor » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:28 am

AL, 94, 2008071912, , BEST, 0, 155N, 779W, 30, 1009, DB, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1011, 150, 45, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, INVEST, S,
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L in Central Caribbean

#2993 Postby caneman » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:30 am

I Won't be losing a nickel. Cheezy the feature you just mentioned is the feature I was talking about earlier. If you been watching storms form long enough ya know what patterns/synoptics, etc.. to look for. Clearly I think we can all agree now that this is a strong tropical wave and one that I believe will be a TD by tomorrow AM. Recon should be going. I'm glad they are.
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#2994 Postby HURAKAN » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:34 am

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#2995 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:39 am

Can someone tell me where the "center" of this system is? Thank you.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L in Central Caribbean

#2996 Postby Cryomaniac » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:40 am

caneman wrote:I Won't be losing a nickel. Cheezy the feature you just mentioned is the feature I was talking about earlier. If you been watching storms form long enough ya know what patterns/synoptics, etc.. to look for. Clearly I think we can all agree now that this is a strong tropical wave and one that I believe will be a TD by tomorrow AM. Recon should be going. I'm glad they are.


Derek said earlier that he didn't think recon was necessary, and that this is "A weak wave".
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L in Central Caribbean

#2997 Postby Javlin » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:40 am

Well you can see a good shot of the ULL in the loop the core @20'N-80'W moving due W as WX57 noted and at a good clip.If it gets out of the way maybe something tomorrow.

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/HURRLOOPS/huwvloop.html
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#2998 Postby Javlin » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:42 am

Chacor wrote:AL, 94, 2008071912, , BEST, 0, 155N, 779W, 30, 1009, DB, 34, NEQ, 0, 0, 0, 0, 1011, 150, 45, 0, 0, L, 0, , 0, 0, INVEST, S,


I think that maybe one possible location.Then NRL has it @15N-74W
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Re: ATL: INVEST 94L in Central Caribbean

#2999 Postby Ed Mahmoud » Sat Jul 19, 2008 9:58 am

I said "TD today" based on morning satellite appearance three times in four days, and was wrong every time.



I just stared again intently at the satellite loop. It looks a little healthier, but no sign of a closed circulation. So maybe tomorrow, but recon won't find a closed circulation today, IMHO.
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#3000 Postby wx247 » Sat Jul 19, 2008 10:02 am

mattpetre wrote:Willing to bet it's more than a shadow by midday tomorrow. There are, sad to say, favorable conditions in its future. I don't want to see this become a hurricane, but long term it's much more of a concern than TD3 and we all know that. Honestly I think we all get lulled into the same trance and forget just how much potential is still there. If this thing had just popped out of nowhere everyone would be all over its development. I know it's had a long road to hoe at this point, but conditions right now are getting better for 94L than they've ever been in its lifecycle. I am hoping that it is only a GOM storm that get's cutoff by another strong low, we'll have to wait till Tuesday or Wednesday to find that out though.


I will be the official nickel collector! I could get rich from this thread. :ggreen:
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