ATL: Tropical Storm Cristobal in North Atlantic

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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L off Southeast U.S

#301 Postby Thunder44 » Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:27 pm

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MiamiensisWx wrote:The following post is NOT an official prognosis.

If the mid level dry air to the NW doesn't significantly affect the convection via intrusion, I believe this one has a significant chance to eventually gain TS classification. Currently, a H5-H85 shortwave is moving ENE off New England, leaving 96L under low level ridging immediately to its north. Steering should remain weak over the next 24 hours, allowing adept time over water. WV data indicates the upper low further south is partially providing excellent ventilation and divergence, while diffluence from the low levels to upper levels is very good. Shear is clearly minimal for the system. Additionally, 96L is located over warm coastal SSTs, with higher OHC (oceanic heat content) associated with the deep Gulf Stream located under the eastern semicircle. This is contributing to an unstable boundary layer over the eastern portion of the system (east of the LLC, which is located just off the GA/SC border). Rapid ascent of parcels is allowing unabated development of additional convection in all quadrants, especially the eastern one over the Gulf Stream. This is important, as I will demonstrate in the next paragraph.

The NWS doppler radar composite for the Southeast indicates the LLC is offshore near the Georgia/South Carolina border, as I previously mentioned. Mid level rotation is evident further southeast in the vicinity of the most expansive convection and thunderstorms. With convection increasing in this region over the Gulf Stream, I would not be surprised if the current LLC eventually dissipates and reforms further SE (even further offshore), coinciding with the location of the broad mid level rotation. This makes sense, since the boundary layer is most unstable in this region, and stronger thunderstorms should result in greater low level inflow in the area adjacent to the mid level circulation. This would allow even more time offshore, so TS status is very probable. 850 mb low level vorticity is sufficient in the immediate vicinity as well.

This one could intensify more than some anticipate... watch it.

...and most people are perplexingly focusing on 94L, which clearly does not have a chance and is not threatening land (Central America/Mexico) at the immediate moment. I'm curious on why reconnaissance is focusing on 94L instead of 96L.

Hopefully, Southeast coastal residents are keeping a close eye on this one.


94L and 96L both seem to have same issues now prohibiting development, dry air and shear. The difference in 94L is that, if it developed, would probably have much more potential, than than 96L would have, because it has more room.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L off Southeast U.S

#302 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:28 pm

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This thing has developed a well defined LLC with convection now forming over it. It is near 31.3/75.4. I believe strongly it is a depression right now.

I expect it to become Cristobal very soon. Possible "Alex" like track. Not saying it will be a powerful hurricane.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L off Southeast U.S

#303 Postby storms in NC » Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:37 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Personal Forecast Disclaimer:
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This thing has developed a well defined LLC with convection now forming over it. It is near 31.3/75.4. I believe strongly it is a depression right now.

I expect it to become Cristobal very soon. Possible "Alex" like track. Not saying it will be a powerful hurricane.


They just had it at 31.8N and 80.8 W. That is a big jump
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L off Southeast U.S

#304 Postby orion » Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:38 pm

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Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:Personal Forecast Disclaimer:
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This thing has developed a well defined LLC with convection now forming over it. It is near 31.3/75.4. I believe strongly it is a depression right now.

I expect it to become Cristobal very soon. Possible "Alex" like track. Not saying it will be a powerful hurricane.


They just had it at 31.8N and 80.8 W. That is a big jump


I think maybe he means 79.4 instead of 75.4??
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#305 Postby Derek Ortt » Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:38 pm

matt... there is not even a cloud where you gave a center

sure you dont mean 79 and not 75?
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#306 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:40 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:matt... there is not even a cloud where you gave a center

sure you dont mean 79 and not 75?



Yes, 79.4 west.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L off Southeast U.S

#307 Postby Tampa Bay Hurricane » Fri Jul 18, 2008 3:55 pm

Yesterday I had forecasted it to be a 50 mph TS by now,
but I was wrong. Now I am surprised this hasn't intensified
to a Tropical Storm, but that is probably due to proximity
to land. I DO NOT WANT it to intensify- I am NOT Wishy-Casting,
I am JUST going by my obervations and knowledge.

I still think if the center relocates further offshore that a moderate
tropical storm might come from this.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L off Southeast U.S

#308 Postby BigA » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:12 pm

I think it has relocated. I see the center of rotation at about 30.1 N, 79.7W. It is possible that this is merely at the mid levels, but I think I see low clouds streaming in toward about that point.
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#309 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:13 pm

Is everything in the tropics at the mid-levels these days. :roll:
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L off Southeast U.S

#310 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:20 pm

This is NOT a midlevel cirulation it is a low level cirulation. It has convection forming over it right now, and should be a tropical cyclone.
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#311 Postby KWT » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:45 pm

I think this is enough to be upgraded to a TD now irs clearly got a circulation to it and convection is now firing over the center, it fits the definition IMo of a TD therefore should be upgraded in the next 6-12hrs, if not I'll be very surprised.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L off Southeast U.S

#312 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:45 pm

31.5/79.5 is the current location of the LLC. Convection is starting to fire over it with some banding featuers. I expect this to be a depression very soon.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t4/vis-l.jpg
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#313 Postby wx247 » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:45 pm

Charleston radar indicates some strengthening of the convection east of the center and appears to be trying desperately to get it to wrap around the north side. There seems to be a void of thunderstorms on the NW and W side which doesn't help the system's case for being upgraded.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L off Southeast U.S

#314 Postby BobHarlem » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:46 pm

Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:This is NOT a midlevel cirulation it is a low level cirulation. It has convection forming over it right now, and should be a tropical cyclone.

Why should it be?

T numbers are around 1.5, not quite good enough, circulation isn't that well defined, the northwestern sector is pathetic and being hampered by dry air, the center is blooming a bit, but maybe a storm tomorrow or overnight, but surely not right now.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L off Southeast U.S

#315 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:48 pm

BobHarlem wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:This is NOT a midlevel cirulation it is a low level cirulation. It has convection forming over it right now, and should be a tropical cyclone.

Why should it be?

T numbers are around 1.5, not quite good enough, circulation isn't that well defined, the northwestern sector is pathetic and being hampered by dry air, the center is blooming a bit, but maybe a storm tomorrow or overnight, but surely not right now.



Dude, please it has a defined LLC with convection forming over it. Learn something!
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#316 Postby funster » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:48 pm

wx247 wrote:Charleston radar indicates some strengthening of the convection east of the center and appears to be trying desperately to get it to wrap around the north side. There seems to be a void of thunderstorms on the NW and W side which doesn't help the system's case for being upgraded.


I don't think the void matters much - it just needs to get the windspeed up high enough on the south or east side of the system and then it can be half a tropical storm but still a named one.
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#317 Postby KWT » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:48 pm

I actual agree with Matt no reason why this can't be upgraded to a 25kt TD, 1.5 is enough if there is proff of a LLC and clearly we have radar as well as sat.imagery that shows it quite nicely plus convection pulling under the convection, sure the convection may not be at all good in the NW but this is not even a storm as long as the center is under convection it really doesn't make much difference at this early stage.
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Re: ATL: INVEST 96L off Southeast U.S

#318 Postby webke » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:51 pm

Just my opinion, but I think it would be wise to upgrade it to a depression just so the people who live along the coast are notified by their local TV weather stations.
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#319 Postby vacanechaser » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:55 pm

KWT wrote:I actual agree with Matt no reason why this can't be upgraded to a 25kt TD, 1.5 is enough if there is proff of a LLC and clearly we have radar as well as sat.imagery that shows it quite nicely plus convection pulling under the convection, sure the convection may not be at all good in the NW but this is not even a storm as long as the center is under convection it really doesn't make much difference at this early stage.



who knows.. maybe it is the same reason why they didnt upgrade 94L.... it WAS a closed circulation over warm water with winds strong enough to support it.. but because it was elongated they didnt do it.... strange to me.. but what do i know....



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#320 Postby KWT » Fri Jul 18, 2008 4:58 pm

The thing is I can't see an elongated LLC with this one, it looks pretty tight embedded in a larger cyclone circulation and has convection firing, I'd fully expect the NHC to pull the trigger fairly soon if it keeps this up for another 6hrs or so.
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