Iran Nuclear Standoff

[cycloneye]

The question is,if Chavez does that,what would the targets inside Venezuela be in case of a U.S. attack.For sure the oil plants,electric power production,water supplies,but apart from that what else?

[HURAKAN]

I believe Chavez is following Castro's strategy against the United States. Meaning, talk sh*t until they drop dead, but no further step is taken.

Nonetheless, Venezuela is no Cuba. Venezuela has to many resources that any other country, especially developed countries, would love to tap on. Chavez knows that he can talk all he wants, but once talks become actions, he must be very careful if he don't want to be replace by a US-friendly government.

[cycloneye]

Yes,the best thing to occur is a coup from inside the goverment to boot Chavez.The same goes for Ahmadinejad in Iran.

[HURAKAN]

Chavez controls Venezuela's army, and at this moment there doesn't seem to be anyone in the army strong enough to oppose him. There's not another Chavez in the army. So far no one seems to stand up and throw the government like he tried to do before being elected president. We must remember that unlike Fidel Castro, Chavez was elected democratically.

In Iran's case, its president is not the one that holds the higher power in the country but the clergymen, and if that doesn't change, I think Iran's position won't change.

[cycloneye]

In Venezuela,yes,that army is very tough to penetrate for someone to do it.

In the case of Iran,the U.S. quietly has tried to help opposition groups inside Iran,but so far without any good results.

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

Yes,the best thing to occur is a coup from inside the goverment to boot Chavez.The same goes for Ahmadinejad in Iran.

In the case of Chavez it already happened, and failed. Until the political climate changes there (Chavez looses control of the masses of the extremely poor, which sadly make up the majority of the country), short of military intervention he isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

[Ptarmigan]

Chavez controls Venezuela's army, and at this moment there doesn't seem to be anyone in the army strong enough to oppose him. There's not another Chavez in the army. So far no one seems to stand up and throw the government like he tried to do before being elected president. We must remember that unlike Fidel Castro, Chavez was elected democratically.

In Iran's case, its president is not the one that holds the higher power in the country but the clergymen, and if that doesn't change, I think Iran's position won't change.

I always saw Ahmadinejad as a puppet of the Mullahs. He reminds me a of used car salesman.

[cycloneye]

Ahmadinejad says get rid of U.S. Dollar





He said that in the OPEC meeting that was held this weekend.

[f5]

he knows we are not going to hit him why beacuse he knows our military is stretched to the breaking point we are tied down in Iraq and Afghanstan and he knows if Bush tries to attack Iran he will be harshly criticize beacuse of opposition in Iraq at an all time high so the ball is Iran's court and they look to be scoring slam dunks aganist the US

[cycloneye]

Chavez says Americas Empire will fall.He is in Tehran with his very close friend Ahmadinejad.

http://uk.news.yahoo.com/rtrs/20071119/ ... 346ad.html

[HURAKAN]

bla, bla, bla. The same thing Castro has been saying for the past 50 years.

[gtalum]

The same thing Castro has been saying for the past 50 years.

Unlike Castro, though, Chavez has the tools to make it happen.

[HURAKAN]

The same thing Castro has been saying for the past 50 years.

Unlike Castro, though, Chavez has the tools to make it happen.

He knows extremely well that if he makes just a minor mistake, the Unisted States will replace him with a more friendly government. Have not we done the same in the past with other countries in the Americas?!?!?

[cycloneye]

Hugo Chavez visits Iran



You can imagine those two friends language against the U.S.

[gtalum]

Unlike Castro, though, Chavez has the tools to make it happen.

He knows extremely well that if he makes just a minor mistake, the Unisted States will replace him with a more friendly government.[/quote]

He can cause a near-instant crash of the US economy by closing off the Venezuelan oil fields for export to the US.

Have not we done the same in the past with other countries in the Americas?!?!?

Any student of history knows that our disastrous meddling in Central and South America is what has led to the current crop of socialist dictators like Castro and Chavez (and many other, less well-known dictators). Don't forget that we already tried and failed to oust Chavez, too. Don't think he doesn't get a bigger sense of confidence from that fact either.

[f5]

isn't it strange we meddle in another countries business when we have our own business we can't take care of here?

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

Stronger cultures have meddled in the affairs of weaker ones that they had an interest in since the time of the ancient Babylonians. Not saying it is right just saying that it has always been, and likely will always be.

[gtalum]

Stronger cultures have meddled in the affairs of weaker ones that they had an interest in since the time of the ancient Babylonians. Not saying it is right just saying that it has always been, and likely will always be.

In our case, it's always ended in disaster. It's a shame we can't learn from history.

[cycloneye]

More Iran Tough Talk



Well,the same blah,blah,blah.

[cycloneye]

Yes,the best thing to occur is a coup from inside the goverment to boot Chavez.The same goes for Ahmadinejad in Iran.

In the case of Chavez it already happened, and failed. Until the political climate changes there (Chavez looses control of the masses of the extremely poor, which sadly make up the majority of the country), short of military intervention he isn't going anywhere anytime soon.

Hybridstorm_November2001,how you see this same situation with Ahmadinejad? Is it possible a coup in Iran?