Iran Nuclear Standoff

[Derek Ortt]

we should impose our will on Iran. Have we quickly forgotten what happened the last time Iran decided to have a little armed conflict with us? Half of their surface fleet was dropped in a single afternoon and they went crying to Saddan for peace terms.

The situation with the Soviets was different as we were not in the same position of strength there. We had no choice but to take a less than favorable deal (same for the USSR) as war meant the obliteration of both NATO and the Warsaw pact. We are not facing that this time.

IMO, there is far more reluctance to use force when necessary now than in the past, and there is a far greater (and not for the better) sensitivity to casualties. What we have endured in Iraq is equal to about the first week of the invasion of France

[HURAKAN]

You must remember that if go to war, we will most likely be victorious pretty early, but afterwards guerrilla warfare will reing and Iran will become another Iraq. If we take down Iran's government, who has the United States in mind to take over, maintain peace, and be courteous towards the US?

If war is the only option, then it will have to be done. Nonetheless, I hope we don't have to go to that extreme.

[gtalum]

How many schools have been victims of shootings this year? It has increased dramatically compared to years before.

This is a common myth. School shootings are way down over the last several decades. they just get more sensational media coverage when they do happen.

[Derek Ortt]

part of the reason why there has been the long guirrela war in Iraq was because of the pathetic battle plan that was used. We conducted an operation that required at least 300K troops with 150K and did not take the cities.


If war is required with Iran (and I'll say it again, NK is the source of all of this and it is them that should be dealt with, not Iran), I hope we do not repeat the mistakes from Iraq

[HURAKAN]

Then if we attack Iran, do we have enough troops to do an effective job and not commit the same mistakes that we did in Iraq? I don't so especially that most of our allies in the Iraq War have already packed and left the war zone. Moreover, Iran is much larger than Iraq and with a much more complicated terrain.

[Derek Ortt]

that is why we need a WW2 style battle plan (in other words, 2-3 YEARS of heavy bombing while we build up our forces to the appropriate levels). A Blitzkrieg may not be the best plan initially. Instead, a prolonged Kosovo War plan (similar to the WW2 plan) of attacking civilian infrastructure, making Iran physically unable to make war and decreasing the civilian morale, is going to be required (yes, it will not be a bloodless video game war as too many are used to)


if we are not committed to going all out to win, we should never even start hostilities

[Ptarmigan]

part of the reason why there has been the long guirrela war in Iraq was because of the pathetic battle plan that was used. We conducted an operation that required at least 300K troops with 150K and did not take the cities.


If war is required with Iran (and I'll say it again, NK is the source of all of this and it is them that should be dealt with, not Iran), I hope we do not repeat the mistakes from Iraq

I agree. The surge should of be done right after we got into Baghdad.

[gtalum]

Then if we attack Iran, do we have enough troops to do an effective job and not commit the same mistakes that we did in Iraq? I don't so especially that most of our allies in the Iraq War have already packed and left the war zone. Moreover, Iran is much larger than Iraq and with a much more complicated terrain.

It would require a draft. This is why we have made arrangements so that we and our child can quickly become legal residents of another nation, should hostilities escalate.

[Derek Ortt]

It would require a draft. This is why we have made arrangements so that we and our child can quickly become legal residents of another nation, should hostilities escalate.


That post sickens me thoroughly! Taking advantage of America and not defending her when she needs it

[gtalum]

Taking advantage of America and not defending her when she needs it

I would happily defend the US. What's been going on in Iraq and the Middle East does not qualify as defending the US.

Sadly the US is moving down a path, for various reasons, that makes it necessary to seriously consider the option of moving elsewhere.

I can't say more without violating the board's ban on political speech.

[Ptarmigan]

That post sickens me thoroughly! Taking advantage of America and not defending her when she needs it

Tell me about it! I am not going to draft dodge when the duty is called.

[cycloneye]

President Bush standing aside with Germanys chancellor Merkel said today that the diplomacy front will continue to be the way to go in the Irans nuclear issue.Merkel said that more tougher economic sanctions may be in the cards of the U.N security council when they meet about the matter next month.

[HarlequinBoy]

That post sickens me thoroughly! Taking advantage of America and not defending her when she needs it

Tell me about it! I am not going to draft dodge when the duty is called.

You mean "if" the duty is called.

[Cryomaniac]

President Bush standing aside with Germanys chancellor Merkel said today that the diplomacy front will continue to be the way to go in the Irans nuclear issue.Merkel said that more tougher economic sanctions may be in the cards of the U.N security council when they meet about the matter next month.

In my eyes this amounts to appeasement. If they really wanted to cripple Irans ecomony, they'd stop importing Iranian oil, but that wouldn't do anyone any good.

[artist]

the US doesn't import oil from Iran.

[HURAKAN]

All these sanctions have proven to be ineffective so far and will continue to do so. In the eyes of the Muslim countries they're just another aggression from the infidels which in turn makes them more angry. Therefore, I don't know if the UN council realizes what they are accomplishing here.

I will continue to say that if you want to eliminate nuclear terror, then everyone must disarm, if not, then everyone has the right to produce nuclear weapons.

If our Constitution says that every man is equal, then the same rules have to apply to everyone, not a selected elite. THAT'S NOT DEMOCRACY!

[artist]

HURAKAN - you truly think that if we were to disarm they would just go quietly away?

[HURAKAN]

HURAKAN - you truly think that if we were to disarm they would just go quietly away?

I know that once technology takes a step forward, going back is almost never an option. Nevertheless, it's not fair to have certain countries with nuclear weapons trying to impose the rest of the world not to have nuclear weapons. Therefore, everyone disarms or everyone arms.

[Derek Ortt]

a country is always supposed to protect its strategic interests if at all possible.

The idea that Iran has equal rights to the USA, IMO, is absurred. if they want equal rights, they know how to get them. Initially, we did not have equal rights with other nations, we WON them

[Cryomaniac]

the US doesn't import oil from Iran.

Well, they could place them under an oil embargo so they can't sell it to anyone then. I can't see that happening either though.