Hurricane FELIX: Caribbean-Discussions

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#341 Postby WindRunner » Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:06 pm

Aric Dunn wrote:
Derek Ortt wrote:Aric... you do not use a 90 percent reduction automatically from all levels.

I highly recommend most here read the Franklin et al. 2003 paper that addresses this topic



umm yeah .. i was going off of there last VDM .. and they were flying near the same level .. and i figured out what they were using then and so i used 90% this time as well .. and they did increase the winds to 70mph on the 2pm advisory


Yes, but that was based of SFMR, which is providing higher-than-normal FL to surface conversions, in some places with the reduction factor nearing 200%.

Typical 1000ft->surface reduction is around .8, with some variation as storms that are flown into at this level prove to be quite volatile.
Here, I don't think an accurate reduction factor can be established for large areas of the storm . . . you might need to calculate one or two for each set of HDOBs that comes in, actually. That's actually some of the most interesting data this short flight collected . . . the observations that support atypical wind profiles . . . which may be a temporary thing or may be a life-long characteristic of this storm.
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Re: TS FELIX: Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 2 PM,page 17

#342 Postby Ptarmigan » Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:14 pm

Looks like Felix could be a hurricane later tonight. It's strengthened rather quickly from TD to TS.
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Re: TS FELIX: Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 2 PM,page 17

#343 Postby hurricanefloyd5 » Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:22 pm

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loo ... ml!!!!This is an up close sat.loop of FELIX and an up close and personal too!!!!
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#344 Postby Buck » Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:53 pm

I'm betting on 75 to 80mph hurricane at 5pm. If that happens, it would've only been 24hours from being declared as a TD to becoming a hurricane.
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Re: TS FELIX: Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 2 PM,page 17

#345 Postby chris_fit » Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:55 pm

hurricanefloyd5 wrote:http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-rb.html!!!!This is an up close sat.loop of FELIX and an up close and personal too!!!!


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Correct http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/loop-rb.html
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#346 Postby Swimdude » Sat Sep 01, 2007 1:57 pm

Holy cow. 45 mph when I was up at 8:00 this morning, 70 mph when I wake up just now... (I'm a college student, excuse my sleeping hours.) This seems to be strengthening quite quickly. Hopefully the process will slow down some...
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Re: TS FELIX: Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 2 PM, page 17

#347 Postby Brent » Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:44 pm

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#348 Postby HURAKAN » Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:50 pm

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Re: TS FELIX: Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 2 PM, page 17

#349 Postby ROCK » Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:51 pm

Brent wrote:The beginnings of an eye?

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/flt/t1/rgb.jpg



looks like a eye wall is trying to establish already in that rainbow loop above....hard to tell in that vis shot.....It won't be long though IMO....
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Re: TS FELIX: Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 2 PM, page 17

#350 Postby ROCK » Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:52 pm

BTW- so much for dry air over SA being drawn into Felix. Looks like its far enough away for that to be a problem....rather moist out there now...
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#351 Postby Buck » Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:55 pm

Already a beautiful storm... just imagine what it's going to be like soon...
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#352 Postby Brent » Sat Sep 01, 2007 2:59 pm

Buck wrote:Already a beautiful storm... just imagine what it's going to be like soon...


I know! :eek: You can tell by the satellite presentation it's going to be a bad one. Dean struggled for the first day or two after it was upgraded(remember during the mid-afternoon for several days it looked dead?), this one has not AT ALL. :sick:
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#353 Postby RL3AO » Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:02 pm

What country is that peninsula in NW SA apart of?

EDIT: Columbia. I answer my own questions.
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Re: TS FELIX: Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 2 PM, page 17

#354 Postby windstorm99 » Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:02 pm

Felix Close-up visible loop...

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#355 Postby Brent » Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:03 pm

RL3AO wrote:What country is that peninsula in NW SA apart of?


That's the Guajira Peninsula of Colombia. The rest of the northern coast east of that is Venezuela.
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#356 Postby PhillyWX » Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:05 pm

Buck wrote:I'm betting on 75 to 80mph hurricane at 5pm. If that happens, it would've only been 24hours from being declared as a TD to becoming a hurricane.


I'd think 75 looks like a reasonable call for 5 PM. Wilma did it in 30 hours, then went from a 75 mph cane to Cat 5 in 24.
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#357 Postby RL3AO » Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:06 pm

This this is getting organized a lot quicker than Dean which is very very scary.
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Re: TS FELIX: Caribbean-Discussions & Imagery 2 PM, page 17

#358 Postby fasterdisaster » Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:09 pm

Geez Louise! Yesterday I check and everything either looks like :oops: and there's nothing there! Now we have a 70 mph TS! A good bit of development definitely! I don't know if it's a hurricane yet, it could be, but if it's not it's VERY close.
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#359 Postby Aric Dunn » Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:09 pm

RL3AO wrote:This this is getting organized a lot quicker than Dean which is very very scary.


which is understandable since its a much smaller system and they have a tendency to intensify a faster and go thru more inner core flux
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#360 Postby Derek Ortt » Sat Sep 01, 2007 3:10 pm

that peninsula is a part of Columbia
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