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#21 Postby angelwing » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:48 pm

Miss Mary wrote:Regit - you will receive no flaming from me. No siree. And I also HATE cliques!

That said, I was asked earlier today to please respond to this topic. By its author. So since you did ask Linda, I am going to answer. What I have to say will not be pretty but it HAS to be said.

First off, the question asks - am I afraid to post? No! I am not afraid. I am not afraid of anyone here. That said (I love that phrase), I have been reluctant to post an opinion b/c let's face it and this is where the S2K Admin and Mods and I part ways - big time - it is true and you can argue with me all day long, until the cows come home honey (stealing a phrase from my good friend above, TLC, which by the way, you go girl) that if you post an opinion that does differ with the Admin, mods or the clique (which I want to be no part of, in any way, shape or form), you will hear about it.

Doesn't matter what your opinion is on, if it doesn't sit well, you'll hear about it.

I joined this website for the comraderie I felt here. A one for all, all for one attitude. Mainly because TWC's message had become too Stepford Wives kinda board. I did not want to be a programmed poster. And I will be darned if I'll become one here.

Now you can flame me all you want, ask what specific examples I have to back up my opinions (sorry didn't save old deleted posts/topics), but there is that vibe here. If you say it doesn't exist, well then you've been posting on a Stepford world kinda place. Or living in one.

One word is missing here and it is respect. Respect goes both ways. Instead of clamping down on an opposing, out there opinion someone else might have, perhaps we need a 15 minute rule. Read, fume, rant, rave, whatever, but wait 15 minutes before replying. OR put yourself in that person's shoes for a few minutes. Try to see their point of view.

Delete my account. I don't mind. But I was asked to give my opinion and I cannot do so without being flat out honest.

Mary



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:clap: :clap: :clap: :larrow: What sha said, I'm not very articulate, thank you Miss Mary for posting this!
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#22 Postby Lindaloo » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:51 pm

Thank you Miss Mary, for being honest.
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#23 Postby sunny » Tue Apr 03, 2007 12:54 pm

Well, since this can of worms has been opened up, I might as well add my two cents. First TLC - spot on. It's not that I am afraid to post, far from it. I do not, however, get the joy out of posting here that I once did. And I realize I am probably going to do myself in real good here, but so be it. But someone said to me that they get the sense that if you lean the other way or even down the middle your viewpoint is not valid in many instances. That they believe it should be up to the mods to MODERATE and not get down on posters that dont agree with them. This is how exactly how I feel. I saw recently one poster get ragged on because their religious beliefs are different from popular opinion and I thought how sad that was. I have seen posters get called out for making 'political posts' and then moderators turn around and make threads of political nature(s) and the thread(s) stand. There is the perception that you cannot disagree with a mod, that if you do they can 'tell you off' and that is fine, but you are not allowed to say anything in response because your response will be deleted. God forbid you actually stand up for yourself......
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#24 Postby Miss Mary » Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:03 pm

Spot on Cindy!
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#25 Postby Yarrah » Tue Apr 03, 2007 1:47 pm

@ Sunny; you posted almost exactly what I wanted to post, only a bit better.

One thing I'd like to add is that I'm not afraid to post anything, but I'm only afraid my posts might be misunderstood. It makes me feel bad if someone is offended by something posted and one doesn't get a chance to explain that it was never ones intention to offend someone.
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#26 Postby Miss Mary » Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:11 pm

Hey I need to add one more comment. I want to publically state that however dissolusioned I become with S2K or if I would eventually have my acct. deleted, I will never bash or criticize S2K. On any other forum. That is not my style. I know many have left S2K and done just that. I would simply state S2K strayed from it's core roots (my belief anyways, for what it's worth again).

That said, this can be turned around ya know! Member could once again feel comfortable stating an opinion - within respect to the rules and other members - that may differ from the general concensus.

It truly is possible to turn over a new leaf. But that's a whole 'nother subject, entirely.

Back on topic....

Mary
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#27 Postby fwbbreeze » Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:18 pm

sunny wrote:Well, since this can of worms has been opened up, I might as well add my two cents. First TLC - spot on. It's not that I am afraid to post, far from it. I do not, however, get the joy out of posting here that I once did. And I realize I am probably going to do myself in real good here, but so be it. But someone said to me that they get the sense that if you lean the other way or even down the middle your viewpoint is not valid in many instances. That they believe it should be up to the mods to MODERATE and not get down on posters that dont agree with them. This is how exactly how I feel. I saw recently one poster get ragged on because their religious beliefs are different from popular opinion and I thought how sad that was. I have seen posters get called out for making 'political posts' and then moderators turn around and make threads of political nature(s) and the thread(s) stand. There is the perception that you cannot disagree with a mod, that if you do they can 'tell you off' and that is fine, but you are not allowed to say anything in response because your response will be deleted. God forbid you actually stand up for yourself......


well said Cindy!

Heres my 2 cents take it or leave it. While I agree with the staff here at S2k probably 99% of the time when it comes to a political/social stance, it is obvious that if you don't your opinion is not wanted. To believe the traffic at this site has not diminished is foolish. While the number of people visiting daily might not have changed much, the total number of quality informative posts has. Personally I find a majority of posts in the Off-topic section boring and just dont feel the need to respond. That is not a knock on any posters, as I feel that many posters dont originate thought provoking threads out of fear. While I understand the political forum was a large part of the posting here, you should still be able to post topics that generate a vast number opinions and not be villified for a certain stance or opinion. To MODERATE is to keep the conversation civil and limit personal attacks, it is not to brow beat someone for having an opposing view as yourself. We are a community of religious and non-religious folks, liberals ,conservatives, and moderates, weather weenies and weather professionals and we will never agree on everything...but to me the variation of ideals and beliefs is what makes us unique and interesting.

but hey I am just fwbbreeze....from the backwoods!!!
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#28 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:34 pm

I think it steams from the fact that a majority of active posters are from the deep south of the USA, and as such usually have a conservative POV. This is never going to change though, because first and foremost this is a tropical weather forum and the majority of landfalling storms in Continental North American occur south of 35 North. I'm right of center myself, so I don't feel it that acutely, however I'm sure that people who do not share this general philosophy do pick up on some hostility real, or imagined.
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#29 Postby Lindaloo » Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:51 pm

Hybridstorm_November2001 wrote:I think it steams from the fact that a majority of active posters are from the deep south of the USA, and as such usually have a conservative POV. This is never going to change though, because first and foremost this is a tropical weather forum and the majority of landfalling storms in Continental North American occur south of 35 North. I'm right of center myself, so I don't feel it that acutely, however I'm sure that people who do not share this general philosophy do pick up on some hostility real, or imagined.


I agree. Off Topic is really just a priviledge because this is a weather board. Just like the political arena. We closed that to curb the hostility, much to the demand of some of the posters in this thread.
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#30 Postby pojo » Tue Apr 03, 2007 2:56 pm

To think of it this way.....
If you are afraid... NOTHING will get accomplished. We are all afraid at some point of our lives and we've gotten over it. Truthfully speaking, there is NOTHING to be afraid about.

How can you learn without asking? Plain and simple, you can't. There is NO stupid question... the only stupid question out there is the one that doesn't get asked.

As long as we stay within the perimeters set by the mods, we are all free to post our 2 cents.
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#31 Postby george_r_1961 » Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:32 pm

If im repeating what others have already said forgive me but I need to vent.

Im not "afraid" to post. I just do not have the enthusiasm for Storm2k that I once had. The quality of the posts has gone downhill and sad to say there are a few staff members here whose lack of maturity and poor judgement are making things worse. Several times I have seen "moderators" break the very rules that they are supposed to enforce and I have also seen members get reprimanded on the open board for minor violations of board policy. "Praise in public; Reprimand in private". A good policy for the workplace and probably a good one for a message board as well. I have seen members whose beliefs are a bit out of the ordinary be subject to scorn and ridicule, hardly a conducive environment for posting.

Seems if u arent in the "clique" here you arent made to feel welcome. Sad but true.
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#32 Postby dizzyfish » Tue Apr 03, 2007 3:42 pm

O.K. - I've held my thoughts to myself long enough. I can say that I agree with the "clique" part. I will also say that this is the only forum that I actively participate in. Sure, I belong to a couple other weather forums - but I um - well I'm not comfortable posting there. I used to post a lot more than I do now - but for a combinations of reasons. Some of those reasons were stated well by others as well a change in my position at the school.

To answer the original question - no I'm not afraid to post. Just intimidated at times.

BTW some very good suggestions above.

Ya'll PM me anytime.

Carry on........ :wink:
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#33 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:13 pm

my thoughts and suggestions

At times I do feel it difficult to post here as some of my posts may be taken as political, even though they are not intended to be. They are merely my interpretation of the facts based upon my interpretation of history, which many people may not agree with.

What I would like to see is maybe create another forum, specifically dedicated toward history and current world events (maybe a civics forum), and leave the off topic forum for the other issues (such as if someone has a bad day and needs to discuss it, or more light hearted matters). Of course the civics forum should remain non-political (if one cannot make a post that is non-political, one does not understand civics very well and should not be posting there anyways). This would allow for the different view points on important issues facing us today to be expressed, while thos ewho do not wish to partake in that discussion would be free from it.

One other suggestion I would have is that a mod be required to contact a person if a post has to be removed. At least to give the person a chance to explain his or her meaning of the post and make changes if necessary if the post can be taken the wrong way. Automatic deletion of a post, IMO, should not occur until after the person has had a chance to explain oneself (maybe move the post to a temp forum in the interim)
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#34 Postby Bobbie Lee » Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:43 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:One other suggestion I would have is that a mod be required to contact a person if a post has to be removed.

I could go for that. I've had a post deleted with no notice or explanation. But I'm not stupid and it didn't take 2 seconds to figure out "why." And now I know whose raw nerve I scraped. I purposely do not respond to anything that poster says.

"Afraid" to post? Well, since I feel like I've been unduly criticized by a particular moderator since I got here, I tend to keep my mouth shut on some subjects. Not this time, though. :P

I love the people here! Just don't know yet if I actually fit in. Image
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#35 Postby fwbbreeze » Tue Apr 03, 2007 4:59 pm

Lindaloo wrote:
Hybridstorm_November2001 wrote:I think it steams from the fact that a majority of active posters are from the deep south of the USA, and as such usually have a conservative POV. This is never going to change though, because first and foremost this is a tropical weather forum and the majority of landfalling storms in Continental North American occur south of 35 North. I'm right of center myself, so I don't feel it that acutely, however I'm sure that people who do not share this general philosophy do pick up on some hostility real, or imagined.


I agree. Off Topic is really just a priviledge because this is a weather board. Just like the political arena. We closed that to curb the hostility, much to the demand of some of the posters in this thread.


no disrespect intended Linda, but this statement is incorrect. Off-Topic is not a "privledge", in the sense that if we are somehow "bad" it will be taken away. I post at S2k because I like to and the friendships I have developed, not because I am allowed to. If you want to ban me feel free, but posting here and sharing my views is my option not my "privledge". When only the privledged get to post here I will leave for good.
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#36 Postby Lindaloo » Tue Apr 03, 2007 5:19 pm

Oops, I should have been more clear on that. I meant when Marshall created the board he added the "Off Topic" He created this board because of the weather. Which means, it is something that was added. Hope I am making sense. See? I KNOW you are not being disrespectful by asking a question. You did not have to even say that fwb. :D

Ban you for what? How about I give you a slice of pizza instead. lol. But knowing you, you would want a NOAA weather radio, not the pizza. :lol:
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#37 Postby GalvestonDuck » Tue Apr 03, 2007 6:20 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:One other suggestion I would have is that a mod be required to contact a person if a post has to be removed. At least to give the person a chance to explain his or her meaning of the post and make changes if necessary if the post can be taken the wrong way. Automatic deletion of a post, IMO, should not occur until after the person has had a chance to explain oneself (maybe move the post to a temp forum in the interim)


Correct me if I'm wrong, but I think we all do that anyway. With the exception of spammers, newly-joined obvious trolls, and those who rejoin under a new name after being banned, all the others get a PM. Bannees get emails since they can no longer access PMs. Then again, I've had PM's hang out in my Outbox for months because the member never picked it up to know why a post was deleted.

Also, posts aren't "deleted" completely. They are moved to the Moderators Lounge so that we may have a record of the post (or thread) and communication to and from the member, as well as occasional staff discussion (on a bad day, sometimes one of us may jump the gun and the others can read something in a completely different way). Sometimes, in cases where an entire thread may get out of hand, the problem posts are split out of the thread and a general post from a Mod within that thread serves as a warning to those whose posts were deleted.

Communication is key here. If you ever have a post deleted and weren't told why, please contact a Moderator. There are rare instances where a power outage, internet connection loss, work duty, sick child, or some other unforeseen event may keep a Moderator from completing the above procedure. I know it's happened to me a couple of times. Also, be sure to set your profile to notify you of new PM's.
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#38 Postby Category 5 » Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:23 pm

I've never been afraid to post here. But I do read my posts twice before hitting the post button.
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#39 Postby JonathanBelles » Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:27 pm

I am definatly not afraid to post, like others I do re-read my posts before I post them. Some of the comments I have made were more contreversal and have gotten me in trouble with the mods at least once. One thing I am suprised with this topic is that more new members have not come forward to post in this topic. I will not, nor will I ever be afraid to post.
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#40 Postby Regit » Tue Apr 03, 2007 7:43 pm

I'll add one thing that would make this board much better. In the rule about "no political posts," someone needs to either clarify or replace the word "political." A lot of threads on here go something like this:

Member 1: I believe A+B=C.
Member 2: I agree!
Member 3: I agree!
Member 4: I agree!
Member 5: Actually, I believe A+B=D.
Member 1: Clearly, A+B=C.
Moderator: This thread is getting political! Watch it!

Obviously, my little conversation above is just a rough example, but many threads on here go something like that. Obviously, Member 5's statement was not one bit more political than Member 1. What happened, is that someone disagreed with the majority (and, apparently, the staff).

Let's be honest. There is NO ban on political posts enforced on S2K (the Iran thread is as political as you can get). What is enforced is a ban on people getting into fights over political issues. The problem arises when the rule is abused to strike down anyone who disagrees with the staff or the majority. True fights should be dealt with appropriately, but the political rule is used far too often. This simply leads to alienation over members who are scorned over a rule that is applied only to certain members at certain times.

This all goes back to what I said in my earlier post. Having moderators with differing philosophies is great for a forum (as long as the admins support all of the mods). They keep each other in check. This also creates a lessened "iron-fist" effect. When members feel like they're being "ruled" it simply sets up a class system. And if you ever took history, you know that everyone except the ruling class is alienated.

I think there is clearly a class system on this board presently.

Not trying to be mean... just observing, noticing a problem, and offering a solution. :)
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