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#21 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:11 pm

fci wrote:I am simply disgusted by Matt's comments and will restain myself from making any further statements about them.

Suffice to say that I just typed out a long response to it and then re-read it and decided not let his comments incite me to post things that could get me banned.

I will follow the advice of the Mod's and restrict my comments to PM's to the Mods and will simpy ignore him going forward.

Tip to all from this experience:
ALWAYS READ YOUR POSTS BEFORE HITTING THE SUBMIT BUTTON!!!!
It will allow you to edit yourself before others do it for you.

fci


You have ever right ot be disgusted with me. In I'm in the wrong. :cry:
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#22 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:13 pm

brunota2003 wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:
swimaster20 wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:May we have a above avg season. Really who cares! Louisiana will be under water in a 100 or so years any ways.


Yeah, it'll be underwater if no one helps the state to protect our wetlands. How would you like your state to get hit by a Category 3 storm and a Category 3/4 storm in one year THEN the next year get hit by another one? Come down here and tell the 10s or 100s of thousands of people whose homes were destroyed/severely demaged that no one cares about them and that the souther part of our state will be underwater in a 100 years. Maybe then you'll get a reality check. I'm not trying to be disrespectful here, but I really don't like it when someone puts down MY state.



Hey its your choice to be right in there track not mine. Theres nothing else that needs to be said. I thought humans where smart.

wait...so you are calling me stupid for living on the coast, when it even isnt my choice? I feel offended...but will restrain as any further comments from me will result in me being banned...



I'm not calling you stupid. Your 10 times smarter then me...
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#23 Postby gpickett00 » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:34 pm

Your original post that evoked several peoples emotions was just worded incorrectly. You could have said it in a way that wouldn't offend people. I think what you meant to say was, "Whether we have an active season or not will not dictate wheter or not Louisiana will eventually flood." That way you state your point without wishing death.
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#24 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:41 pm

gpickett00 wrote:Your original post that evoked several peoples emotions was just worded incorrectly. You could have said it in a way that wouldn't offend people. I think what you meant to say was, "Whether we have an active season or not will not dictate wheter or not Louisiana will eventually flood." That way you state your point without wishing death.



That was what I was thinking. I wish we would focuse on tracking in learning. Now lets track those cyclones.
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#25 Postby ConvergenceZone » Fri Aug 11, 2006 6:51 pm

bevgo wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:May we have a above avg season. Really who cares! Louisiana will be under water in a 100 or so years any ways.


I am having to really restrain myself on this one. Come on Matt--You are really not hoping for what it sounds like I hope!
:?: :?: :grr: :x



I think I understand what Matt is saying. When you build in a hurricane prone area, you KNOW the risk. I'm talking about the folks that live close to the coast, not the ones that live much further inland. Personally, I would never build my house on a coastline in the Gulf or east coast, because I realize the risk. Is it worth the risk to me? No, but someone else might think it IS worth the risk to them. That's fine, but some of these people whose homes get destroyed, act as if they couldn't believe that a hurrcane actually came through and destoyed their home. I guess they thought they were immune to them. And another thing, when it comes to loss of life, I don't have ANY sympathy to those who CAN get out but instead elect to ride the storm out. ZERO SYMPATHY...Obviously the ones I do feel for are the ones who want to get out but somehow can't.

Earthquakes are the same way, but earthquakes are a bit different when it comes to loss of life in that you really can't see them coming and don't have time to evacuate. I'm in Sacramento for example, and almost experienced a mild earthquake once in my ENTIRE life. Plus, they happen FAR LESS than hurricanes do. You build in a hurrcane prone area, and there's a good chance that within the next 5 years, you may be highly threatened by one that potentially could destroy your home.. Do you build??? Only if you think you are immune to them.
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#26 Postby fci » Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:34 pm

So, if I understand you; people who:

Live in Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Illinios and Texas think they are immune to tornadoes

Live anywhere on the Atlantic or Gulf Coast (or China coast or Mexican Riveriera) think they are immune to Hurricanes

Live along the Mississippi River think they are immune to Floods (oh, Johnstown too)

Live near the San Andreas fault think they are immune to Earthquakes

Live near Mt St Helens think they are immune to Volcanos

Live near Indonesia think they are immune to tsunamis

What Matt said was very insensitive and came out wrong.
He apologized for how it came out whatever he was trying to say.

No one should judge others for where they choose to live based on the fact that the area they choose could fall victim to a natural disaster.
People do not think they are necessarily "immune" to them and are not "stupid" for living there.

They deserve compassion if they are unfortunate enough to fall victim.
They do not deserve a "that's what you get for being there"!

fci
(back down from soapbox.....)
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#27 Postby brunota2003 » Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:59 pm

You build in a hurrcane prone area, and there's a good chance that within the next 5 years, you may be highly threatened by one that potentially could destroy your home.. Do you build??? Only if you think you are immune to them.

One question...is this generalizing everyone who lives next to the coast as thinking that they are immune from hurricanes??? If it is...I can tell you flat out that it is wrong...people here build along the coast, and they know the risk they are taking, yet decide to take it anyways...so since you live in Sacramento, Ca (where my grandfather used to live and where my dad grew up) do you think you are immune to earthquakes or any other natural disaster that could possibly occur there? according to your post, summarizing us on the coast up as thinking we are "immune" would lead me to believe the same about you...just my $0.02
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#28 Postby ConvergenceZone » Fri Aug 11, 2006 7:59 pm

fci wrote:So, if I understand you; people who:

Live in Kansas, Oklahoma, Nebraska, Illinios and Texas think they are immune to tornadoes

Live anywhere on the Atlantic or Gulf Coast (or China coast or Mexican Riveriera) think they are immune to Hurricanes

Live along the Mississippi River think they are immune to Floods (oh, Johnstown too)

Live near the San Andreas fault think they are immune to Earthquakes

Live near Mt St Helens think they are immune to Volcanos

Live near Indonesia think they are immune to tsunamis

What Matt said was very insensitive and came out wrong.
He apologized for how it came out whatever he was trying to say.

No one should judge others for where they choose to live based on the fact that the area they choose could fall victim to a natural disaster.
People do not think they are necessarily "immune" to them and are not "stupid" for living there.

They deserve compassion if they are unfortunate enough to fall victim.
They do not deserve a "that's what you get for being there"!

fci
(back down from soapbox.....)



noooo, you are misreading me. In a nutshell, what I'm saying that if you build your house ON THE COASTLINE , what else do you expect? It's just that with someplaces the risk is much much higher and it's obvious. Do I laugh at someone who's home gets destroyed on the coast? Of course not! I'm just saying that they know the risks, and it just comes with it....

Tornados can hit ALMOST ANYWHERE, but the risk is extremely small in one area due to the size of the storm, unless you live in tornado alley...

Here's a good example, I wanted to move into the sierra mountains recently, but I realize that if I did, that there's a decent chance of a forest fire. I did a bit of research that there have been several fires over the last 10 to 20 years coming pretty close to where I wanted to live, so I elected not to because the risk to me just wasn't worth losing everyhing. If the risk was worth losing everything, hell, I'd jump on it in a heartbeat!

Now there are people I'm not quite as sensitive towards and that's the folks who home get destroyed on the coastline by a hurricane, yet they build in the same exact spot. Obviously I feel bad for them the first time. But if it happens a 2nd time, i it obviously didn't traumatize them enough the first time to change the location where they wanted to build another home at...
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#29 Postby beachbum_al » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:01 pm

Matt,
I think your apology means a lot and accept it.

As for living on the coast. I was born and raised here. I grew up here. I did leave for a couple of years to move to central Alabama but return back to the area in 2001. I really didn't move away from the area. We spent most of the summer here. In 2001 I decided to move back to the coast after dealing with several tornadoes in Central Alabama. Despite the last two years I don't want to live anywhere else. This is paradise and at least I can get away from a hurricane. Tornado I did not have the chance.
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#30 Postby brunota2003 » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:02 pm

oh...and Matt...I do accept your apology also ;) thank you
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#31 Postby ConvergenceZone » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:05 pm

brunota2003 wrote:
You build in a hurrcane prone area, and there's a good chance that within the next 5 years, you may be highly threatened by one that potentially could destroy your home.. Do you build??? Only if you think you are immune to them.

One question...is this generalizing everyone who lives next to the coast as thinking that they are immune from hurricanes??? If it is...I can tell you flat out that it is wrong...people here build along the coast, and they know the risk they are taking, yet decide to take it anyways...so since you live in Sacramento, Ca (where my grandfather used to live and where my dad grew up) do you think you are immune to earthquakes or any other natural disaster that could possibly occur there? according to your post, summarizing us on the coast up as thinking we are "immune" would lead me to believe the same about you...just my $0.02


Of course I don't feel like I'm immune to earthquakes. But statistically, I'm weighing the risks to live in a particular location. someone who lives on a coastline of any gulf state has a much greater risk of having their home destroyed than someone in Sacramento has of an earthquake destroying there home. Heck, I can't even count the number of stories I've read of coastal homes being damaged by storm surge/beach erosion due to storms. You are acting like I'm talking about those in coast cities. I'm talking only ON the immediate coastline!!
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#32 Postby Lindaloo » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:13 pm

I live on the beautiful gulf coast and have all of my life. I love it here and would not live anywhere else. You take the good with the bad anywhere you live.
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#33 Postby wxmann_91 » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:13 pm

FWIW right here I've experienced about five earthquakes of magnitude 4.0 or greater in the five years I have lived here. So, will not say the chance of a big damaging quake is small, because it's actually quite big.

IMO it's not about living in a prone area is about adapting to it. Leaving when a hurricane warning is issued, taking shelter when a tornado warning is issued, building better buildings to withstand earthquakes, and tornadoes and hurricanes, I think that's what's important.
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#34 Postby Lindaloo » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:17 pm

ConvergenceZone wrote:
bevgo wrote:
Matt-hurricanewatcher wrote:May we have a above avg season. Really who cares! Louisiana will be under water in a 100 or so years any ways.


I am having to really restrain myself on this one. Come on Matt--You are really not hoping for what it sounds like I hope!
:?: :?: :grr: :x



I think I understand what Matt is saying. When you build in a hurricane prone area, you KNOW the risk. I'm talking about the folks that live close to the coast, not the ones that live much further inland. Personally, I would never build my house on a coastline in the Gulf or east coast, because I realize the risk. Is it worth the risk to me? No, but someone else might think it IS worth the risk to them. That's fine, but some of these people whose homes get destroyed, act as if they couldn't believe that a hurrcane actually came through and destoyed their home. I guess they thought they were immune to them. And another thing, when it comes to loss of life, I don't have ANY sympathy to those who CAN get out but instead elect to ride the storm out. ZERO SYMPATHY...Obviously the ones I do feel for are the ones who want to get out but somehow can't.

Earthquakes are the same way, but earthquakes are a bit different when it comes to loss of life in that you really can't see them coming and don't have time to evacuate. I'm in Sacramento for example, and almost experienced a mild earthquake once in my ENTIRE life. Plus, they happen FAR LESS than hurricanes do. You build in a hurrcane prone area, and there's a good chance that within the next 5 years, you may be highly threatened by one that potentially could destroy your home.. Do you build??? Only if you think you are immune to them.


I never asked for anybody's sympathy. I am a veteran hurricane survivor and have never had my home destroyed. I have never seen this kind of devastation from one. I had my reasons for staying and I do not have to explain why I stayed to anyone. Does that make me stupid? No it doesn't. I doubt many of us thought we were immune to anything.

I find your post rather insulting.
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#35 Postby Lindaloo » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:24 pm

So Convergence, in your own words and your own post you are telling us that those people who died DESERVED what they got because they "elected" to stay? I sure as heck hope that is NOT what you are saying!
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#36 Postby canetracker » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:31 pm

Being in the medical profession I have watched many tramautized people leave our area. Many doctors, nurses and patients simply could not take the horror that happened to us. However, is there really a safe place to go? As fci posted above, no one is immuned to natural disasters. I am sure Florida felt the same way in 2004 when it was hit many times. Should most of Florida leave their homes because it is unsafe?! Nothing is gauranteed in life, but having sites like this one sure helps us to be prepared.
Just my 2 cents!
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#37 Postby ConvergenceZone » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:32 pm

Lindaloo wrote:So Convergence, in your own words and your own post you are telling us that those people who died DESERVED what they got because they "elected" to stay? I sure as heck hope that is NOT what you are saying!


No, but I am saying that the people who DON'T leave when they are TOLD to leave, have no sympathy from me.....Heck, even Jim Cantore on the Weather Channel used the term "idiots" when talking about this when he was doing footage last week.....I'm speaking of those who have a great risk of their lives by doing so.


As far as those who live on the coast line. I didn't say they DESERVE to die. I'm just saying that if their house gets damaged the 2nd time after they rebuild after the first cane, what else would they expect??

Sometimes you just have to respect mother nature and get out...She is the boss....
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#38 Postby george_r_1961 » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:32 pm

I think alot of us here need to preview our posts and think for a minute before hitting the submit button. There are many ppl here who survived the nightmarish past TWO years (2004 was bad too remember?) and are still rebuilding their lives. Lets show a little respect please.
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#39 Postby ConvergenceZone » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:38 pm

yea, I give up anyway, my words are obviously getting twisted into saying things that I've never said........When there's a cat 5 coming towards your home....you just don't stay if you have a way and means of getting out...

later.......
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#40 Postby sunny » Fri Aug 11, 2006 8:38 pm

ConvergenceZone wrote:but some of these people whose homes get destroyed, act as if they couldn't believe that a hurrcane actually came through and destoyed their home. I guess they thought they were immune to them.


Oh really? Where did you get that information? See, us fools living down here on the coast know that hurricanes CAN and DO hit. See, we live with it every season. Try again.

ConvergenceZone wrote:And another thing, when it comes to loss of life, I don't have ANY sympathy to those who CAN get out but instead elect to ride the storm out. ZERO SYMPATHY...Obviously the ones I do feel for are the ones who want to get out but somehow can't.


Who asked you for your sympathy? I haven't seen one person on this board ask ANYONE for sympathy. And there are quite a few who lost everything they owned in Katrina and Rita. Oh, and many of those same people DID get out.
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