it was the same in Orlando after Charley. Many neighborhoods looked like a bomb had exploded in them. Roofs half off, windows shattered, trees downed and snapped, power lines and signs laying everywhere...yet "officially" Charley was only a Cat. 1 in the area. However, microbursts (like the ones you likely saw in Wilma) probably brought small pockets of Cat. 2+ winds (in the form of prolonged gusts) to some places. That is the only way I could explain it (besides possible tornadoes).jusforsean wrote:cat one by Butt, The extent of the damage in my neighborhood alone was proof that it had to be stronger, otherwise the only other explanation could be those :"microbursts they speak of because i noticed such a pattern of sporatic damage all over.
Wilma was ONLY a Category One...
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tgenius wrote:Lindaloo wrote:tgenius wrote:Extremeweatherguy wrote:Katrina was actually the first most expensive hurricane with a damage total over 80 billion, and Andrew was second with a total over 20 billion. Wilma was 3rd or 4th (depending on what source you use) with a total somewhere between 13-17 billion.Derek Ortt wrote:and one other thing
Wilma is the first most expensive hurricane in US history with a damage toll of 16.8 billion
If you put inflation into the mix, Andrew's 20 million in 92 will go over Katrina's 80 billion 05 dollars.
How do you figure?
You better explain that one to the experts that are saying and writing that Katrina is the worst and costliest natural disaster to ever hit the United States.
It's the same reason why Gone with the wind is the highest grossing movie of all time using adjusted for inflation numbers. 20 billion in 1992 (Andrew)is not the same as 20 billion would of been in 2005.
You're talking about a movie from 67 years ago. Prices are of course much more now than it was then... but Andrew was only 14 years ago. A dollar in 1992 isn't nearly worth four dollars in 2006 (which it would need to be for Andrew's total to top Katrina's in "real dollars"), maybe not even half that much.
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HurricaneBill wrote:Actually, isn't the 1926 Miami Hurricane the costliest when adjusted to inflation?
It's 27th on this list, which only takes inflation into account. But using the 2000 wealth normalization factor (what damages would be if a storm had the same track and intensity, but in 2000 when there were many more -- and more expensive -- structures), it finishes first. However, even that storm may not top Katrina if it were put on the list. It can be found here.
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Cat one damage: No real damage to building structures. Damage primarily to unanchored mobile homes, shrubbery, and trees. Some damage to poorly constructed signs. Also, some coastal road flooding and minor pier damage.
That is what happened up here during hurricane Andrew.
Cat two damage: Some roofing material, door, and window damage of buildings. Considerable damage to shrubbery and trees with some trees blown down. Considerable damage to mobile homes, poorly constructed signs, and piers.
This is exactly the damage that happened around here.
Cat three damage: Some structural damage to small residences and utility buildings with a minor amount of curtainwall failures. Damage to shrubbery and trees with foliage blown off trees and large trees blown down. Mobile homes and poorly constructed signs are destroyed.
Not really what happened here. Mostly, around here had roof issues (and most of that was losing capstones and various tiles) and in poorly-constructed buildings, some window failures. No real structural damage.
That is on what I'm basing what I think the hurricane was here. Strong two. We have no wind "proof" as no readings were taken anywhere close to this area. The closest was Pompano Beach, over by the beach or down in Ft. L. Both are further east and the winds were not as strong east. More like a strong cat one over east.
The further west one was, the worse it was. Houses in Sunrise which abutted Sawgrass Expressway (the "end" of the development facing the Everglades) had much more in the way of roof damage.
That is what happened up here during hurricane Andrew.
Cat two damage: Some roofing material, door, and window damage of buildings. Considerable damage to shrubbery and trees with some trees blown down. Considerable damage to mobile homes, poorly constructed signs, and piers.
This is exactly the damage that happened around here.
Cat three damage: Some structural damage to small residences and utility buildings with a minor amount of curtainwall failures. Damage to shrubbery and trees with foliage blown off trees and large trees blown down. Mobile homes and poorly constructed signs are destroyed.
Not really what happened here. Mostly, around here had roof issues (and most of that was losing capstones and various tiles) and in poorly-constructed buildings, some window failures. No real structural damage.
That is on what I'm basing what I think the hurricane was here. Strong two. We have no wind "proof" as no readings were taken anywhere close to this area. The closest was Pompano Beach, over by the beach or down in Ft. L. Both are further east and the winds were not as strong east. More like a strong cat one over east.
The further west one was, the worse it was. Houses in Sunrise which abutted Sawgrass Expressway (the "end" of the development facing the Everglades) had much more in the way of roof damage.
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Lindaloo wrote:Hurricane Georges did that to us. We were in the NE Quad for a very long time when he came in an stalled. Caused major flooding in areas that usually do not flood. Mobile opened their flood gates which caused further flooding here in Pascagoula. Georges was a dang nightmare.
Yep, Franklin Creek and Orange Grove area was really hammered as was Pecan.
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T'Bonz wrote:The further west one was, the worse it was. Houses in Sunrise which abutted Sawgrass Expressway (the "end" of the development facing the Everglades) had much more in the way of roof damage.
I know what you mean. I live in Weston, and being the farthest west in Broward county, we got slammed pretty hard. Coral Springs got it bad too, since it is a bit farther north of here.
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Same with hurricane Charley in Orlando. Based on the saffir-simpson scale description, this kind of damage falls into the Cat. 2 range:T'Bonz wrote:Cat one damage: No real damage to building structures. Damage primarily to unanchored mobile homes, shrubbery, and trees. Some damage to poorly constructed signs. Also, some coastal road flooding and minor pier damage.
That is what happened up here during hurricane Andrew.
Cat two damage: Some roofing material, door, and window damage of buildings. Considerable damage to shrubbery and trees with some trees blown down. Considerable damage to mobile homes, poorly constructed signs, and piers.
This is exactly the damage that happened around here.
Cat three damage: Some structural damage to small residences and utility buildings with a minor amount of curtainwall failures. Damage to shrubbery and trees with foliage blown off trees and large trees blown down. Mobile homes and poorly constructed signs are destroyed.
Not really what happened here. Mostly, around here had roof issues (and most of that was losing capstones and various tiles) and in poorly-constructed buildings, some window failures. No real structural damage.
That is on what I'm basing what I think the hurricane was here. Strong two. We have no wind "proof" as no readings were taken anywhere close to this area. The closest was Pompano Beach, over by the beach or down in Ft. L. Both are further east and the winds were not as strong east. More like a strong cat one over east.
The further west one was, the worse it was. Houses in Sunrise which abutted Sawgrass Expressway (the "end" of the development facing the Everglades) had much more in the way of roof damage.
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Yet "officially" only Cat. 1 winds were recorded in the area (with gusts to Cat. 2/3).
Based on this I think they need to do one of a few things. Either...
A) Update the descriptions in the S.S. scale.
B) Measure hurricanes by top gusts instead of sustained winds.
OR
C)Make hurricane microbursts, wind streaks, and tornadoes more common knowledge and tell people that some areas could see damage in the order of 1-2 categories higher.
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Derek Ortt wrote:Everglades city did not come close to receiving a cat 3 storm from Wilma. The cat 3 winds were down near Flamingo.
Not one person in Florida saw anything near cat 3 winds from Wilma. Some, such as Lauderdale, saw cat 2 conditions, but the vast majority "only" had cat 1, and let me tell you, cat 1 conditions are Hell
Worth repeating...."and let me tell you, cat 1 conditions are Hell"
That is the whole point for sure. From a Cat 3 impacting a nearly unpopulated coastline, damage was widespread and intense. Some of that was by design. Many properties are still at ground level in the Keys, and they flooded. Many downtown buildings in Fort Lauderdale were built with inferior windows or design specs and got shattered. The street-level power grid had inadequate, defective or weakened support and came apart.
Wilma was a nightmare for Florida, and for the most part it was Cat 1 conditions, some places less, some a more.
In Andrew, people north of Kendall Drive and south of Ocean Reef barely had a storm. In Wilma, everyone from Stuart to Key West was affected and some things like docks, apartments, boats, roofs and trees were wiped out over large areas.
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According to this:
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mfl/events/?id=wilma
Miami Int Airport only got 67 mph sustained winds! Not even a hurricane.
http://www.srh.noaa.gov/mfl/events/?id=wilma
Miami Int Airport only got 67 mph sustained winds! Not even a hurricane.
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Agreed Recurve. Very little damage from Dade Corners south to Kendall Dr. on Krome. But once in the Redlands, you started to see the impact. Everything devastated on a east to west orientation till you got down to Silver Palm. From there southward, war zone. Then from Mowry to the Last Chance Saloon, the Australian Pines were all snapped off to the east. Any further south on 1 or Card Sound, was effected little.
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Yeah 81.2 is insured losses. Let's see if we can figure it all out:
1)$81.2 billion insured
2)$12 billion Louisiana Road Home program... help for the underinsured
3)Mississippi's version of the same program approx. $6 billion
4)Levee damage... only lord knows... some estimates have Louisiana eventually spending $20-30 billion on levees to get them up to snuff
5)Coastal marsh damage... approx $4 billion
6)Weight of floodwaters cracking all of NOLA's sewerage and water pipes... $2B
I'll leave it at that b/c I'm tired, but it goes to show you, all estimates for every storm have unforseen damages. And many damages, at least in my neck of the woods, will not be known for years.
Grand total so far... $125.2 billion. And I still think that's conservative.
1)$81.2 billion insured
2)$12 billion Louisiana Road Home program... help for the underinsured
3)Mississippi's version of the same program approx. $6 billion
4)Levee damage... only lord knows... some estimates have Louisiana eventually spending $20-30 billion on levees to get them up to snuff
5)Coastal marsh damage... approx $4 billion
6)Weight of floodwaters cracking all of NOLA's sewerage and water pipes... $2B
I'll leave it at that b/c I'm tired, but it goes to show you, all estimates for every storm have unforseen damages. And many damages, at least in my neck of the woods, will not be known for years.
Grand total so far... $125.2 billion. And I still think that's conservative.
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It's the same reason why Gone with the wind is the highest grossing movie of all time using adjusted for inflation numbers. 20 billion in 1992 (Andrew)is not the same as 20 billion would of been in 2005.
tgenius, that's absolutely untrue and you should know it. Gone With the Wind was made nearly SEVENTY years ago... and besides, the "adjusted for inflation" figures on all 'canes is available right now from the III, OR the NHC... and guess what, the margin of difference between Andrew and Katrina is still HUGE, with Katrina way up--would that it weren't...because quite frankly I wish to high heaven it were the other way around.
As to the Wilma figures, they're all over the place.. but is this about damages, or simply someone making a point about severity of wind damage-- I guess it's the latter... okay been there done that. Cat 1 winds--very bad... 2--worse 3--MUCH worse... 4--Terribly worse....5...THE worst.
Guess that sums it up succinctly.
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