Andrew's Florida landfall downgraded to Category Four?

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

I think its about why Andrew killed so few and Katrina killed so many? At least I think so.

[all_we_know_is_FALLING]

Oh, sorry cycloneeye.

But in my last post I did try to move the discussion back to Hurricane Andrew.

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It really is amazing that there was a relatively low death toll during Andrew.

I wonder if this can be attributed to a better evacuation? I don't know really.
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[senorpepr]

:whistle:

Enough. This topic is about Hurricane Andrew. If it strays again, the thread will be locked.

[all_we_know_is_FALLING]

Okay, that had been said several times.

In my post I WAS talking about Hurricane Andrew.

[all_we_know_is_FALLING]

Anyways, sorry about all that.


I think that if the NHC says Andrew was a Cat 5, then it was. That's just my opinion on the matter.

[EDR1222]

I sure can remember looking at the radar pictures and satellite loops as Andrew was coming ashore. Too me, by appearance, it was very well defined in all quads and very evil looking on radar, for lack of better words when it came ashore in South Florida.

I am not an expert, but no storm has ever presented that well on satellite at landfall in the U.S. Of course that doesn't say the storm was a 5, but if Hugo was a 4, Andrew looked much stronger to me than Hugo did at U.S. landfall, so my bet is that Andrew was clearly a 5 and as Derek alluded to, the area of landfall was not an area prone to significant storm surge damage. All those pictures we saw were from wind damage and speak for themselves.

[Jim Cantore]

as I said, a very tight windfield as well

http://www.aoml.noaa.gov/hrd/Storm_pages/andrew1992/andrew_landfall.html

[Audrey2Katrina]

I don't believe that Katrina killed 1,300 people.

what on EARTH are you talking about??? Do you mean to imply that the water pushed in by KATRINA, means that Katrina wasn't the cause of these peoples' deaths? What kind of statement is that? That's like me saying it wasn't Andrew that killed so many people in Homestead, it was flying debris, or the collapsing building. Sound silly? Of course it is because it was the winds that drove that debris, just as it was the windfield of Katrina that drove in the surge that killed WELL OVER 1500 people.

Good Grief... I need a drink!

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

Whoever was responsible for the state of the levees and the existence of the MRGO is really responsible for that, not Katrina. If it weren't for all that, most of those floodwaters wouldn't even have happened, storm or no storm.

This is really poor reasoning. No offense to anyone, or their friends/families who perished in either storm; but this would be tantamount to me saying that the ONLY reason so many died in Andrew was because of poorly built homes, that, had they been built up to today's standards would more than likely have survived. This kind of reasoning, IMHO is bizarre to put it mildly. I don't care if folks lived in a grass hut; if a storm comes in and they die--they are victims of that storm--END of story. Had Katrina NOT come in last year at all--there are about 2,000 people who would still be alive today, so and I personally know of 2 of them, so PLEASE don't tell me this storm isn't what caused their deaths. Yes one can attribute fault with people like the USACOE and the MRGO--I know I certainly did--but the bottom line is no Katrina...no levee failures so let's not split hairs by playing semantic games over "responsibility"...

I need another Drink!

A2K

[Jim Cantore]

A2K, lets not stray onto this again, or else this thread is heading for locksville.

[Audrey2Katrina]

Whoever was responsible for the state of the levees and the existence of the MRGO is really responsible for that, not Katrina. If it weren't for all that, most of those floodwaters wouldn't even have happened, storm or no storm............................And I would have to submise that the next time a town gets hit by a tornado,earthquake ,sunami and etc... they should not have built it there.Geez please!

Thank YOU!

I'll drink to that!

[hic]

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

Not "trying" to stray anywhere, Floyd; but having been directly affected by this storm, including losing a family member because of levees, or waters, or anything BUT Katrina, is not something I'm going to sit back and let someone get away with blithely saying... I'm all for staying on the topic of Andrew--but do NOT tell me that Katrina didn't kill all those people...if anything, that's your hijacker!

A2K

[Jim Cantore]

I understand, I just dont want a fight to break out thats all

[Audrey2Katrina]

Okay... those drinks definitely helped!

Regardless, as I WAS going to post before I was "hijacked"... in reading the article it is apparent to me that this writer is dyslexic... or somehow or other managed to get it backwards--and that's all there is there. The storm WAS a 4.. that was upgraded to a 5 ten years later--somehow or other this writer seems to have reversed the process... clearly it is a typo.

A2K

[Jim Cantore]

Okay... those drinks definitely helped!

Regardless, as I WAS going to post before I was "hijacked"... in reading the article it is apparent to me that this writer is dyslexic... or somehow or other managed to get it backwards--and that's all there is there. The storm WAS a 4.. that was upgraded to a 5 ten years later--somehow or other this writer seems to have reversed the process... clearly it is a typo.

A2K

it had to have been, I remember clearly they upgraded him to a 5 on the tenth aniversary.

[MGC]

Gee, all I make is a little comment about trees and this is what happens, sorry...MGC

[Jim Cantore]

It wasnt your fault, you didnt completely hijack the thread.

lets just forget about it.

[the_winds_that_sheared_me]

Katrina and Andrew were of the same categories Katrina due to storm surge and andrew due to winds--both 5s

CATEGORY 5
Winds: More than 155 mph

Damage: Catastrophic; buildings, roofs, structures destroyed. Flooding up to 10 miles inland, evacuation of area. Pressure less than 27.17 inches accompanied by a storm surge higher than 18 feet. Remember Luis in 1995

[Extremeweatherguy]

Katrina and Andrew were of the same categories Katrina due to storm surge and andrew due to winds--both 5s

what? At landfall Katrina was a cat. 3 and Andrew was a Cat. 5. Big difference. Also, we do not rate a storm based on storm surge, only wind, so a storm can not be called a Cat. 5 based on surge alone.

[Extremeweatherguy]

Katrina and Andrew were of the same categories Katrina due to storm surge and andrew due to winds--both 5s

CATEGORY 5
Winds: More than 155 mph

Damage: Catastrophic; buildings, roofs, structures destroyed. Flooding up to 10 miles inland, evacuation of area. Pressure less than 27.17 inches accompanied by a storm surge higher than 18 feet. Remember Luis in 1995

just because it has a storm surge over 18 ft. does not make it a Cat. 5. It also must have winds over 155mph sustained.