98L invest,W.GOM,Comments,Sat Pics,Models Thread #3

[Stratosphere747]

Only if our old 98L stalled....

Having trouble finding it though...

[HouTXmetro]

Its a tropical distrabance! Also is this setting up like Alison in any way?

in terms of rain maybe although it would be hard to top that feat. things would be clearing out but we have a new player in the ULL in South West texas.

[JonathanBelles]

where is the center?

[HouTXmetro]

where is the center?

the center of the ULL is near Uvalde TX... West of San Antonio I think.

[JonathanBelles]

that a lot farther west than i thought

[Stratosphere747]

There may be some confusion....

The ULL we are talking about is not whatever is left of 98L....

[jasons2k]

yeah, I can see it on the water vapor. Definitely could pull more moisture back over TX.

[JonathanBelles]

oh! theres another system involved. ok the picture is clearer now. where is this ULL headed?

[SouthFloridawx]

[Stratosphere747]

Wrong area...

The ULL is "deep in the heart of Texas"

Near San Antonio, and looks to be lifting NW...

Still trying to find the remnants of 98..

[SouthFloridawx]

Wrong area...

The ULL is "deep in the heart of Texas"

Near San Antonio, and looks to be lifting NW...

Still trying to find the remnants of 98..

intersting... Thanks.

Looks to be a lot vorticity in the upper levels where I indicated.
http://cimss.ssec.wisc.edu/tropic/real- ... 8vor1.html

[HouTXmetro]

Wrong area...

The ULL is "deep in the heart of Texas"

Near San Antonio, and looks to be lifting NW...

Still trying to find the remnants of 98..

Looks East to me..... In addition I noticed the remnant circulation of 98L near the TX/LA border east of Lake Livingston.

http://www.goes.noaa.gov/HURRLOOPS/atwv.html

[Mike Doran]

20k strikes / hour in the CONUS and south Texas is getting some very strong convection and cold cloud tops. Extreme capacitive couplings continue to occur in the WGOM and banding features continue. Meanwhile discussion of surface lows--Emily is nearby and holding ELECTRICAL patterns in the region in the upper atmosphere--from ITS surface low.

[HouTXmetro]

20k strikes / hour in the CONUS and south Texas is getting some very strong convection and cold cloud tops. Extreme capacitive couplings continue to occur in the WGOM and banding features continue. Meanwhile discussion of surface lows--Emily is nearby and holding ELECTRICAL patterns in the region in the upper atmosphere--from ITS surface low.

ENGLISH PLEASE!!!!

[Stratosphere747]

Just a bit too much "crosstalk" there Mike...

Plus 98L has the fork half-way in....

[Grease Monkey]

20k strikes / hour in the CONUS and south Texas is getting some very strong convection and cold cloud tops. Extreme capacitive couplings continue to occur in the WGOM and banding features continue. Meanwhile discussion of surface lows--Emily is nearby and holding ELECTRICAL patterns in the region in the upper atmosphere--from ITS surface low.

ENGLISH PLEASE!!!!

Houtxmetro, I think he's trying to say you need to generate 1.21 gigawatts to activate the flux capacitor and break the time barrior.

[JonathanBelles]

20k strikes / hour in the CONUS and south Texas is getting some very strong convection and cold cloud tops. Extreme capacitive couplings continue to occur in the WGOM and banding features continue. Meanwhile discussion of surface lows--Emily is nearby and holding ELECTRICAL patterns in the region in the upper atmosphere--from ITS surface low.

ENGLISH PLEASE!!!!

Houtxmetro, I think he's trying to say you need to generate 1.21 gigawatts to activate the flux capacitor and break the time barrior.

hahahahahaahaha

[wxmann_91]

ENGLISH PLEASE!!!!

I think what he's meaning is that electrical patterns caused by low pressure areas, and their attendant lightning, are affecting electrical and convective patterns elsewhere around the world? I think that's what it means.

[mtm4319]

Emily? You mean the 'cane from a year ago is still hanging around the US/Mexico border?

[Mike Doran]

Grease,

Good one. Funny I just watched (sortof) Back to the Future and was thinking about that line. My daughter (age 6) and step daughter (age 11) did a Back to the Future marathon and I was on the computer in the next room, you guessed it, researching on the electrics of tropical storms.

Here is a good link on the Back to the Future reference:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flux_capacitor



The average bolt of lightning has 1 billion volts and with a current in a range of 10,000 to 200,000 amps.

I remember the formulation by a tasty PIE:

P=IE

or

V * I = P

Which gives you 10,000 to 200,000 Gigawatts.

Okay. Now, all I am saying is at the peak of the thunderstorm activity yesterday there were 20,000 strikes per hour. That means that there was a lot of charges that were available to organize themselves in a capacitive manner between the ionosphere and Gulf of Mexico, which are both conductive--and thereby create a static field there. That field stores the charges in a manner of speaking, however some of that field does work on cloud microphysics, or powers subtile changes.

This is certainly a problem of SCALE. On many levels intimidating, but big numbers and small numbers MUST follow the rules of electrics--and what it means to charge or discharge a capaciter.

Thinkers here are looking for a surface low to explain why Texas got hit with tropical rains. A surface low is significant electrically because decarbonation from the low and the winds reduces surface conductivity and allows a capacitive coupling to exist more easily, and that coupling changes cloud microphysics. But couplings can still exist without this organizing feature--it just takes more power, more current, additional factors that lead to the cloud microphysics changes.