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#441 Postby Air Force Met » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:50 pm

southerngale wrote:AFM, look at the Accuweather discussion posted here on page 21.


That must have been written this morning by the "lesser" accuwx mets...and posted late...because there is obviously nothing there. Someone outta email that to JB and ask him why there is such a diff in what he is saying and what they are saying. :lol:

Better yet...email it to Ken...or someone in charge.
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#442 Postby Stratosphere747 » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:50 pm

As mentioned the accuweather article, though stamped this afternoon, was more likely based on the mornings obs.

I doubt if you asked an accuweather met right this minute, they would confirm a closed low off the coast...IMO..
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#443 Postby wxman57 » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:52 pm

Swirls, swirls everywhere! That weak swirl which was southwest of Brownsville in northern Mexico this morning has raced off to the NNW and is dissipating northwest of Brownsville this afternoon. I've been monitoring the offshore obs very closely today, and there is definitely no closed LLC over the water. Pressures have actually risen a bit out there.

Everyone seems to see a swirl (on radar) out over the water. Sometimes radar loops can be deceiving. Echoes forming/dissipating, and the movement of outflow boundaries can give the appearance of a circulation. JB said it was SE of BRO this morning, we thought we could see something NE of BRO. It's obvious that if there are any swirls out there, they're pretty weak.

And remember, radar is tilted up at an angle of at least 1/2 degree. That, combined with the curvature of the earth means that for each mile away from the source, the beam is higher above the ground (water). So the swirl you'lre looking at on radar could be well above the surface (from 5-10 thousand feet up to 20-30 thousand feet up). I did notice that the swirl we saw from CRP radar (farther from radar beam) was more pronounced than the same swirl from BRO (closer to radar), indicating it was fairly high (above 10,000 ft).

While is isn't impossible for a weak closed LLC to form over the water before the whole mess moves ashore tonight/tomorrow, the main threat from this system will be rain, not wind. Could be 5, 10, or over 15 inches in some parts of the mid to upper TX coast tomorrow as we get into the north-south oriented bands rather than today's east-west bands.
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#444 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:56 pm

Read the paper by Sipper et al in the July Monthly Weather Review. It discusses these multiple vorticies during the tropical cyclogenesis phase
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#445 Postby southerngale » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:57 pm

Ok. Well, I was only going by the Accuweather discussion someone posted and the time said 2:38 PM EDT, so one would assume it was fairly recent. I haven't been able to locate a low on visible, offshore or onshore, so I just read what others say, and it's been pretty diverse, to say the least.
I'm not an Accuweather subscriber and usually just read what they say when someone posts it here, so maybe someone who knows who Ken is, can contact him. ;)
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#446 Postby Stormcenter » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:57 pm

I hope we are not singing the same tunes tomorrow about this disturbance.
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#447 Postby Stormcenter » Tue Jul 25, 2006 2:59 pm

Why do I have the feeling this will still be around tomorrow in the GOM? :roll:
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#448 Postby southerngale » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:00 pm

Stormcenter wrote:I hope we are not singing the same tunes tomorrow about this disturbance.


Well, the big threat is rain anyway. I could care less if it becomes a TD or not...I just don't want to see any more flooding.
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#449 Postby Grease Monkey » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:01 pm

Stormcenter wrote:Why do I have the feeling this will still be around tomorrow in the GOM? :roll:


Maybe you're clairvoyant?
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#450 Postby Stratosphere747 » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:02 pm

Taken from Corpus' afternoon disco...It's obvious that they are not seeing a closed low offshore either.

SHORT TERM (TONIGHT AND WEDNESDAY)...SURFACE CIRCULATION JUST
NORTH OF MCALLEN AT 19Z IS EXPECTED TO TRACK NORTH THROUGH THE CWA
TONIGHT/EARLY WEDNESDAY MORNING THEN NORTH OF THE REGION THE
REMAINDER OF WEDNESDAY.
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#451 Postby Stormcenter » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:03 pm

Grease Monkey wrote:
Stormcenter wrote:Why do I have the feeling this will still be around tomorrow in the GOM? :roll:


Maybe you're clairvoyant?


:lol:
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#452 Postby Air Force Met » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:07 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:Read the paper by Sipper et al in the July Monthly Weather Review. It discusses these multiple vorticies during the tropical cyclogenesis phase


I read a similiar paper on the role multiple mid-level vorticies play in TC cyclogenesis. Was it along the same lines?

So you have a link?
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#453 Postby PTrackerLA » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:07 pm

I believe this will still be around tomorrow as well. All the mets are saying it will be "inland" over Texas tonight but ALL of the intense convection continues to stay offshore while streaming into SE Texas and Louisiana. Bottom line is I don't think it's going anywhere fast.
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#454 Postby Air Force Met » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:13 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:Read the paper by Sipper et al in the July Monthly Weather Review. It discusses these multiple vorticies during the tropical cyclogenesis phase


Got it already...it's the smae on I have. It was originally submitted back in Feb of 2005...by SIPPEL...

Thought it sounded familiar. :D

Yes...it is a very good article.
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#455 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:19 pm

http://ams.allenpress.com/amsonline/?re ... FMWR3165.1

Here is the link to the abstract. Full text articles for those with AMS subscriptions only
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#456 Postby Derek Ortt » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:21 pm

Not sure how I wrote Sipper, L and R are on opposite sides of the keyboard, lol
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#457 Postby Stormcenter » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:25 pm

98L continues to blossum in the GOM.
Does not look like it is headed inland any time soon.

http://www.ssd.noaa.gov/goes/east/gmex/loop-avn.html
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#458 Postby Air Force Met » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:28 pm

Derek Ortt wrote:Not sure how I wrote Sipper, L and R are on opposite sides of the keyboard, lol


:lol:
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#459 Postby butch » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:29 pm

Emergency Weather statement. It may not form into a TD but it will provide a lot of rain.



TXZ199-200-210>214-226-227-235>238-260430-
/O.NEW.KHGX.FA.A.0005.060726T0500Z-060726T1700Z/
/00000.0.ER.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.000000T0000Z.OO/
AUSTIN-BRAZORIA-CHAMBERS-CO-FORT BEND-GALVESTON-HARRIS-
JACKSON-LIBERTY-MATAGORDA-MONTGOMERY-WALLER-WHARTON-
INCLUDING THE CITIES OF.ALVIN.ANAHUAC.ANGLETON.BAY CITY.
BELLVILLE.BROOKSHIRE.CLEVELAND.COLUMBUS.CONROE.DAYTON.
EAGLE LAKE.EDNA.EL CAMPO.FREEPORT.FRIENDSWOOD.
GALVESTON.HEMPSTEAD.HOUSTON.HUMBLE.KATY.LAKE JACKSON.
LEAGUE CITY.LIBERTY.MO CITY.MONT BELVIEU.PALACIOS.
PASADENA.PEARLAND.PIERCE.PRAIRIE VIEW.RICHMOND.
ROSENBERG.SEALY.SUGAR LAND.TX CITY.THE WOODLANDS.
TOMBALL.WEIMAR.WHARTON.WILLIS.WINNIE
323 PM CDT TUE JUL 25 2006

FLOOD WATCH IN EFFECT FROM MIDNIGHT CDT TONIGHT THROUGH WEDNESDAY MORNING.

THE NATL WEATHER SVC IN HOUSTON/GALVESTON HAS ISSUED A

* FLOOD WATCH FOR A PORTION OF SE TX.INCLUDING THE
FOLLOWING COUNTIES.AUSTIN.BRAZORIA.CHAMBERS.CO.
FORT BEND.GALVESTON.HARRIS.JACKSON.LIBERTY.
MATAGORDA.MONTGOMERY.WALLER & WHARTON.

* FROM MIDNIGHT CDT TONIGHT THROUGH WED MORNING

* SHOWERS & THUNDERSTORMS ARE EXPECTED TO DEVELOP LATER TONIGHT
& ON INTO WED MORNING AS A TROPICAL DISTURBANCE ACROSS
THE WESTERN GULF OF MEXICO MOVES NORTHWARD & INLAND ACROSS
TX. ABUNDANT MOISTURE LEVELS IN COMBINATION WITH STRONG
DYNAMICS ARE SETTING THE STAGE FOR A POSSIBLE HEAVY RAIN EVENT
WITH THIS SYSTEM. AVERAGE RAINFALL TOTALS FROM MIDNIGHT TONIGHT
THROUGH NOON ON WED ARE EXPECTED TO AVERAGE 1 TO 3 INCHES.
ISOLATED TOTALS OF 4 TO 6 INCHES WILL BE POSSIBLE WHERE TRAINING
DEVELOPS. THESE HIGH RAINFALL TOTALS COULD LEAD TO FLOODING.
ESPECIALLY IF THEY OCCUR ACROSS LOCATIONS THAT HAVE ALREADY
RECEIVED HEAVY RAINFALL.

* A FLOOD WATCH MEANS RAPIDLY RISING WATER OR FLOODING IS POSSIBLE
IN & NEAR THE WATCH AREA. IF YOU ARE IN THE WATCH AREA.CHECK
PREPAREDNESS REQUIREMENTS.KEEP INFORMED & BE READY FOR QUICK
ACTION IF FLOODING IS OBSERVED OR IF A WARNING IS ISSUED.

DO NOT DRIVE YOUR VEHICLE INTO AREAS WHERE THE WATER COVERS THE
ROADWAY. THE WATER DEPTH MAY BE TOO GREAT TO ALLOW YOUR
AUTOMOBILE TO CROSS SAFELY. VEHICLES CAUGHT IN RISING WATER
SHOULD BE ABANDONED QUICKLY. IF YOUR VEHICLE STALLS.ABANDON IT
& SEEK HIGHER GROUND IMMEDIATELY. RAPIDLY RISING WATER MAY
ENGULF YOUR VEHICLE & ITS OCCUPANTS & SWEEP THEM AWAY. MOVE
TO HIGHER GROUND.
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#460 Postby NDG » Tue Jul 25, 2006 3:30 pm

wxman57 wrote:Could be 5, 10, or over 15 inches in some parts of the mid to upper TX coast tomorrow as we get into the north-south oriented bands rather than today's east-west bands.


Why would you not include parts of southern LA on the heavy rainfall as well? I think that Cameron Parish in SW LA could also see at least 5" of rain, they already had at least 3" w/more on the way.
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