http://www.nzherald.co.nz/section/story ... D=10389841
Scott Base 'under threat' from ageing icebreakers
10.00 am Wednesday July 5, 2006
Ageing icebreakers have put New Zealand and the United States' Antarctic programmes under threat, it was reported today.
National Radio said an unusual build-up of ice in McMurdo Sound meant the American icebreakers, which are nearing the end of their life span, were having trouble getting through.
New Zealand's Scott Base and the American McMurdo Sounds station are serviced by sea through McMurdo Sound. While other supplies can be flown in to the bases, fuel has to be delivered by sea.
It is estimated it would cost half a billion dollars to refit the icebreakers for the long term.
New Zealand Antarctic Institute chief executive Lou Sanson said ship access was crucial
"Without ship access you can't get fuel," he said. "McMurdo and Scott Base are inextricably linked to sea access into McMurdo Sound and it is the southernmost piece of ocean, so it's a tricky piece of water to get into."
National Radio said New Zealand was working with the United States Coastguard on how to proceed.
Mr Sanson said the threat had been around for three or four years since giant icebergs carved off the Ross Ice Shelf, blocking McMurdo Sound.
Fortunately in the past few months they had almost all gone away.
The United States had been able to put a channel into the Sound, though the ice was very thick.
Mr Sanson said the United States had put in a very thorough process in investigating options on how to resupply the area.
He said the final decisions had not yet been made and there were still two years icebreaking capability in place.
New Zealand was working with the United States and Italy on how they could all contribute to the issue.
- NZPA
Ken
Icebreakers can't keep up with thickening ice
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I blame it on Global warming...Why because cold air holds little moisture, as the temperatures rises more moisture is in the Atmopshere to snow down as snow. As long as its below 32 degrees then everything adds up. Once it gets above 32 degrees is when Melting happens.
So for awhile Antartic and greenland ice sheet should grow. But once they warm up above that number then they will melt. So in fact it is global warming...So that is how you can put growing glaciers+global warming together. Its a simple fact.
So for awhile Antartic and greenland ice sheet should grow. But once they warm up above that number then they will melt. So in fact it is global warming...So that is how you can put growing glaciers+global warming together. Its a simple fact.
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[quote="Matt-hurricanewatcher"]I blame it on Global warming...Why because cold air holds little moisture, as the temperatures rises more moisture is in the Atmopshere to snow down as snow. As long as its below 32 degrees then everything adds up. Once it gets above 32 degrees is when Melting happens.{quote]
There is no such thing as GW.
I blame it on the next ice age cycle. The time is here - the time is now !
A small bit of education, as stated below by Alan Caruba, shouldn't hurt:
http://capitolhillcoffeehouse.com/more. ... 46_0_1_0_M
Water's Nice, But Not as Ice
By Alan Caruba on (Jul 09, 06 | 11:29 am)
A little ice to cool a drink on a hot summer's day is nice, but when you think of it as an Ice Age, it becomes an inexorable force of Nature more to be feared than any fictional global warming.
In a recent memoir, marine biologist Trevor Norton recalls growing up “beside a sullen sea” and drawn to the “bluer oceans beyond the horizon, salt-scented and transparent.” As a young boy, Norton marveled at the fact that both he and the world were seven-tenths salt water—that his blood had almost the identical chemical composition as the sea and that, in the womb, he’d even had gills.
We came from the oceans and, to an extent that few but those who have studied them understand, the oceans play a critical role in the Earth’s climate cycles. It is those cycles that reveal what is really happening and what is going to happen as a new, inevitable Ice Age begins to signal its emergence.
As June drew to a close, my daily newspaper reported, “Jerseyeans evacuate as river swells toward 50-year high.” Unusual flooding occurred from Washington, D.C. up through New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and New York. What could be causing such torrential rain?
Would you believe volcanoes?
No, not the ones you can see, but the ones beneath the oceans of the world that you cannot. In a prescient book, “Not by Fire, but by Ice”, Robert W. Felix shares his years of independent research to warn of the next Ice Age that is, meteorologically speaking, just around the corner. There are two factors at work. One is the established, known cycles of climate change. The other is the unknown number of undersea volcanoes.
“Marine geophysicists about the research vessel Melville recently discovered 1,133 previously unmapped underwater volcanoes about 600 miles northwest of Easter Island,” Felix notes in his book. That would put them about 2,300 miles west of Chile in the South Pacific. “And they’re huge.”
Since only about five percent of the ocean floor has been mapped, there is no way of knowing how many volcanoes exist, “pumping awesome amounts of heat into the seas.”
Global warming, based heavily on computer models is, after twenty-five years of endless eco-bloviating, only now being aggressively debunked by a growing body of scientists. They have begun to fear that science itself is being debased by the torrent of false claims.
As Felix says, “It’s not global warming, it’s ocean warming, caused by underwater volcanoes.” The Earth has always been a dynamic planet producing all manner of change. The recent earthquakes in the Indian Sea area, unusually heavy snowfalls, and the severity of hurricanes are testimony to the constant change that has always occurred. Among the changes is the realization that the northern hemisphere is undergoing cooling, not warming.
You don’t have to be a climatologist to understand why. As the oceans and seas are subject to the unseen volcanic activity, they are sending huge amounts of moisture up into the atmosphere where it returns as a heavy rain in spring, summer and fall. In the winter, it returns as snow.
When those warm air fronts from the equatorial regions move north and volcanic activity increases their heat, they hit the cold air fronts coming from the pole and the result are more violent storms. You get the kind of torrential rains that occurred in late June on the East Coast. You get blizzards that blanket a region with snow that is increasingly deeper in winter.
The key to understanding what is really occurring on Earth is to understand that there are known cycles. As Felix notes, “there is an ice-age cycle known as the Milankovitch cycle; one that returns like clockwork. I believe it is now time for the next beat of that cycle.”
“Warming seas and colder skies…a deadly combination,” says Felix. We are coming to an end of the current interglacial period of approximately eleven to twelve thousand years. When you put increased amount of moisture into the air as the result of warming oceans and seas, you get snow. “Unimaginable amounts of snow.”
It’s the kind of snow that trapped ancient mastodons in their tracks, freezing them so swiftly that, when thawed out thousands of years later, the food in their stomach could be identified. Despite what the scaremongering Global Warming snake oil salesmen are telling you, the ice and the snow packs of both the Artic and Antarctic are thickening. That means it is getting colder in both these regions.
Combine that with increasing underwater volcanic activity that is warming the oceans and seas, plus the Milankovitch cycle, the end of the current interglacial period, and you get the next Ice Age.
It could occur so swiftly that it would create chaos among the populations of the northern hemisphere. Either way, slow or quick, the early warning signs of storms with increasing severity, heavier rainfalls, blizzards that leave deeper snow in their wake, and floods all over the globe are all there for anyone to see.
We could stop all industrial activity and require all cars and trucks off the roads of the world and it would not make a single bit of difference. It is not manmade carbon dioxide that is bringing about these changes. It is active volcanoes, some a mile or more high, yet entirely hidden from view under the oceans.
Nature doesn’t care where you live or what you drive.
Editor’s Note: To learn more, visit http://www.iceagenow.com
Thank you very much Alan. You have cleared up this entire topic. We better get some extra pair of long johns ready in winter..........
There is no such thing as GW.
I blame it on the next ice age cycle. The time is here - the time is now !
A small bit of education, as stated below by Alan Caruba, shouldn't hurt:
http://capitolhillcoffeehouse.com/more. ... 46_0_1_0_M
Water's Nice, But Not as Ice
By Alan Caruba on (Jul 09, 06 | 11:29 am)
A little ice to cool a drink on a hot summer's day is nice, but when you think of it as an Ice Age, it becomes an inexorable force of Nature more to be feared than any fictional global warming.
In a recent memoir, marine biologist Trevor Norton recalls growing up “beside a sullen sea” and drawn to the “bluer oceans beyond the horizon, salt-scented and transparent.” As a young boy, Norton marveled at the fact that both he and the world were seven-tenths salt water—that his blood had almost the identical chemical composition as the sea and that, in the womb, he’d even had gills.
We came from the oceans and, to an extent that few but those who have studied them understand, the oceans play a critical role in the Earth’s climate cycles. It is those cycles that reveal what is really happening and what is going to happen as a new, inevitable Ice Age begins to signal its emergence.
As June drew to a close, my daily newspaper reported, “Jerseyeans evacuate as river swells toward 50-year high.” Unusual flooding occurred from Washington, D.C. up through New Jersey, Pennsylvania, and New York. What could be causing such torrential rain?
Would you believe volcanoes?
No, not the ones you can see, but the ones beneath the oceans of the world that you cannot. In a prescient book, “Not by Fire, but by Ice”, Robert W. Felix shares his years of independent research to warn of the next Ice Age that is, meteorologically speaking, just around the corner. There are two factors at work. One is the established, known cycles of climate change. The other is the unknown number of undersea volcanoes.
“Marine geophysicists about the research vessel Melville recently discovered 1,133 previously unmapped underwater volcanoes about 600 miles northwest of Easter Island,” Felix notes in his book. That would put them about 2,300 miles west of Chile in the South Pacific. “And they’re huge.”
Since only about five percent of the ocean floor has been mapped, there is no way of knowing how many volcanoes exist, “pumping awesome amounts of heat into the seas.”
Global warming, based heavily on computer models is, after twenty-five years of endless eco-bloviating, only now being aggressively debunked by a growing body of scientists. They have begun to fear that science itself is being debased by the torrent of false claims.
As Felix says, “It’s not global warming, it’s ocean warming, caused by underwater volcanoes.” The Earth has always been a dynamic planet producing all manner of change. The recent earthquakes in the Indian Sea area, unusually heavy snowfalls, and the severity of hurricanes are testimony to the constant change that has always occurred. Among the changes is the realization that the northern hemisphere is undergoing cooling, not warming.
You don’t have to be a climatologist to understand why. As the oceans and seas are subject to the unseen volcanic activity, they are sending huge amounts of moisture up into the atmosphere where it returns as a heavy rain in spring, summer and fall. In the winter, it returns as snow.
When those warm air fronts from the equatorial regions move north and volcanic activity increases their heat, they hit the cold air fronts coming from the pole and the result are more violent storms. You get the kind of torrential rains that occurred in late June on the East Coast. You get blizzards that blanket a region with snow that is increasingly deeper in winter.
The key to understanding what is really occurring on Earth is to understand that there are known cycles. As Felix notes, “there is an ice-age cycle known as the Milankovitch cycle; one that returns like clockwork. I believe it is now time for the next beat of that cycle.”
“Warming seas and colder skies…a deadly combination,” says Felix. We are coming to an end of the current interglacial period of approximately eleven to twelve thousand years. When you put increased amount of moisture into the air as the result of warming oceans and seas, you get snow. “Unimaginable amounts of snow.”
It’s the kind of snow that trapped ancient mastodons in their tracks, freezing them so swiftly that, when thawed out thousands of years later, the food in their stomach could be identified. Despite what the scaremongering Global Warming snake oil salesmen are telling you, the ice and the snow packs of both the Artic and Antarctic are thickening. That means it is getting colder in both these regions.
Combine that with increasing underwater volcanic activity that is warming the oceans and seas, plus the Milankovitch cycle, the end of the current interglacial period, and you get the next Ice Age.
It could occur so swiftly that it would create chaos among the populations of the northern hemisphere. Either way, slow or quick, the early warning signs of storms with increasing severity, heavier rainfalls, blizzards that leave deeper snow in their wake, and floods all over the globe are all there for anyone to see.
We could stop all industrial activity and require all cars and trucks off the roads of the world and it would not make a single bit of difference. It is not manmade carbon dioxide that is bringing about these changes. It is active volcanoes, some a mile or more high, yet entirely hidden from view under the oceans.
Nature doesn’t care where you live or what you drive.
Editor’s Note: To learn more, visit http://www.iceagenow.com
Thank you very much Alan. You have cleared up this entire topic. We better get some extra pair of long johns ready in winter..........
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And yet some more education by Phil Brennan:
The Rains came … And Came
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/article ... 0055.shtml
28 Jun 06 - I hate to say "I told you so" (well, not really - actually I revel in
being a smartass) but quite a while ago I predicted these huge downpours that
have been afflicting the Northeastern U.S. and explained why they are becoming
more or less commonplace.
In the last few days much of the area has been hit by a foot or more of rainfall
and as I write this, it's still going on. I hate to tell you this, but you'd better get used
to this - it's not only going to continue, it's going to get worse. Much worse.
Why?
The answer is quite simple - Mother Earth is belching up red hot magma through
the ocean floor all across the globe. It may come as a surprise to you, but two
thirds of all volcanic activity takes place under the world's seas, and currently that
activity is heating the oceans to the point where they are sending huge amounts of
moisture up into the atmosphere where it comes down as heavy rain in the spring,
summer and fall, and snow in the winter.
As Bob Felix points out in his incredibly informative iceagenow.com website, it's
not global warming, but ocean warming. The non-existent global warming isn't
heating the oceans as poor demented Al Gore would have us believe, but ocean
heating that's warming the globe.
Writes Michael Mandeville in michaelmandeville.com "Since there is such a strong,
close reflection of the X Wave in this tectonic zone, how can one avoid wondering
if there could be any correlation between El Nino and the motions of the Earth's
crust?" He cites charts that "demonstrate that the great rifts on the ocean bottom in
the South Pacific are the birthing grounds of El Nino, and that collectively the
spreading rifts and hot water plumes which rise from them in many places around
the Earth must be the birthing grounds of the present regime of global warming."
Let's get back to all that moisture that's coming out of the volcanically heated
oceans like steam coming out of the boiling water in a teapot and accept the fact
that unless all that red hot magma now heating the seas suddenly and inexplicably
knocks it off and lets the oceans cool, this regime of monstrous cloudbursts is
going to continue - and get worse.
Over and above the flooding the cloudbursts cause, just how else do they threaten
us? Well, if you take into account that in the winter the oceans will continue to send
moisture up into the atmosphere to come down as precipitation, it will come down
as snowfall.
Last fall parts of New England were drowned by as much as 20 inches of rain in a
matter of days. In the winter, 20 inches of rain amounts to 20 feet of snow. And
that foot or more of rain that's fallen in the northeast in the last few days snow
would amount to 12 or even 13 feet of snow. That means that somebody 6 feet tall
would have snow piled up six or seven feet above his or her head. If you want to
see what 13 feet of snow looks like, go to my website Wednesday on the Web
(http://www.pvbr.com) and scroll down on the home page for a photo taken in
Japan last January).
To see the rest of this article, please visit http://www.newsmax.com
* * *
Phil Brennan is a veteran journalist who writes for NewsMax.com. He is editor &
publisher of Wednesday on the Web (http://www.pvbr.com) and was Washington
columnist for National Review magazine in the 1960s. He also served as a staff
aide for the House Republican Policy Committee and helped handle the
Washington public relations operation for the Alaska Statehood Committee which
won statehood for Alaska . He is also a trustee of the Lincoln Heritage Institute
and a member of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers.
He can be reached at phil@newsmax.com
Thanks Phil !
.
The Rains came … And Came
http://www.newsmax.com/archives/article ... 0055.shtml
28 Jun 06 - I hate to say "I told you so" (well, not really - actually I revel in
being a smartass) but quite a while ago I predicted these huge downpours that
have been afflicting the Northeastern U.S. and explained why they are becoming
more or less commonplace.
In the last few days much of the area has been hit by a foot or more of rainfall
and as I write this, it's still going on. I hate to tell you this, but you'd better get used
to this - it's not only going to continue, it's going to get worse. Much worse.
Why?
The answer is quite simple - Mother Earth is belching up red hot magma through
the ocean floor all across the globe. It may come as a surprise to you, but two
thirds of all volcanic activity takes place under the world's seas, and currently that
activity is heating the oceans to the point where they are sending huge amounts of
moisture up into the atmosphere where it comes down as heavy rain in the spring,
summer and fall, and snow in the winter.
As Bob Felix points out in his incredibly informative iceagenow.com website, it's
not global warming, but ocean warming. The non-existent global warming isn't
heating the oceans as poor demented Al Gore would have us believe, but ocean
heating that's warming the globe.
Writes Michael Mandeville in michaelmandeville.com "Since there is such a strong,
close reflection of the X Wave in this tectonic zone, how can one avoid wondering
if there could be any correlation between El Nino and the motions of the Earth's
crust?" He cites charts that "demonstrate that the great rifts on the ocean bottom in
the South Pacific are the birthing grounds of El Nino, and that collectively the
spreading rifts and hot water plumes which rise from them in many places around
the Earth must be the birthing grounds of the present regime of global warming."
Let's get back to all that moisture that's coming out of the volcanically heated
oceans like steam coming out of the boiling water in a teapot and accept the fact
that unless all that red hot magma now heating the seas suddenly and inexplicably
knocks it off and lets the oceans cool, this regime of monstrous cloudbursts is
going to continue - and get worse.
Over and above the flooding the cloudbursts cause, just how else do they threaten
us? Well, if you take into account that in the winter the oceans will continue to send
moisture up into the atmosphere to come down as precipitation, it will come down
as snowfall.
Last fall parts of New England were drowned by as much as 20 inches of rain in a
matter of days. In the winter, 20 inches of rain amounts to 20 feet of snow. And
that foot or more of rain that's fallen in the northeast in the last few days snow
would amount to 12 or even 13 feet of snow. That means that somebody 6 feet tall
would have snow piled up six or seven feet above his or her head. If you want to
see what 13 feet of snow looks like, go to my website Wednesday on the Web
(http://www.pvbr.com) and scroll down on the home page for a photo taken in
Japan last January).
To see the rest of this article, please visit http://www.newsmax.com
* * *
Phil Brennan is a veteran journalist who writes for NewsMax.com. He is editor &
publisher of Wednesday on the Web (http://www.pvbr.com) and was Washington
columnist for National Review magazine in the 1960s. He also served as a staff
aide for the House Republican Policy Committee and helped handle the
Washington public relations operation for the Alaska Statehood Committee which
won statehood for Alaska . He is also a trustee of the Lincoln Heritage Institute
and a member of the Association of Former Intelligence Officers.
He can be reached at phil@newsmax.com
Thanks Phil !
.
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curtadams wrote:Homework exercise - just how much magma is needed to heat the oceans a degree? I'm astonished somebody would actually have a website claiming volcanic activity meaningfully heats the ocean. Cluelessness of the first order.
Nothing personal, but the only clueless people I see these days more than likely originate from one or more of these weather boards.
Have a nice day.........
Ken
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kenl01 wrote:curtadams wrote:Homework exercise - just how much magma is needed to heat the oceans a degree? I'm astonished somebody would actually have a website claiming volcanic activity meaningfully heats the ocean. Cluelessness of the first order.
Nothing personal, but the only clueless people I see these days more than likely originate from one or more of these weather boards.
You didn't do your home-work! Can you not figure out how much magma is involved? Or are you afraid to say it?
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curtadams wrote:kenl01 wrote:curtadams wrote:Homework exercise - just how much magma is needed to heat the oceans a degree? I'm astonished somebody would actually have a website claiming volcanic activity meaningfully heats the ocean. Cluelessness of the first order.
Nothing personal, but the only clueless people I see these days more than likely originate from one or more of these weather boards.
You didn't do your home-work! Can you not figure out how much magma is involved? Or are you afraid to say it?
Ha Ha ha !! ROTFLMAO !!!! You don't necessarily have to figure out how much magma is required to heat the oceans significantly, or at what rate.
Observations are the key buddy - observations. More snow and more ice is accumulating. That's the primary importance.
Well - gotta go. Have a nice day..........
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kenl01 wrote:Ha Ha ha !! ROTFLMAO !!!! You don't necessarily have to figure out how much magma is required to heat the oceans significantly, or at what rate.
Observations are the key buddy - observations. More snow and more ice is accumulating. That's the primary importance.
Well - gotta go. Have a nice day..........
Yes you do. That's what science (or just about any knowledge is about). You make predictions, and test them. If volcanos were heating the ocean there would be some VERY obvious predictions which are VERY obviously false. What are they?
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