Lindaloo wrote:Opal storm wrote:I find it funny how some of you folks in MS and LA agree with the NHC that Camille was a 5,but bash the NHC about Katrina "only" being a 3.
Just becuase Andrew was a 5 doesn't mean Camille was too,as they are two totally different storms.I have posted my reasons as to why I don't think Camille was a 5,I'm not going back into this mess.Again,I am done with this discusion.
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I thought you were done with this argument. This thread is about Camille, not Andrew. People have rights to their opinions, but do not force yours on other people.
Actually you have it backwards, just because Camille was a 5, doesn't mean Andrew was. Doesn't that sound just silly? Until the NHC says Camille was not a 5 then your opinion is just that, an opinion. Why don't you back your opinions with facts instead of using "your opinion" as facts. I am waiting. And I assure you, you better choose your words wisely.
I have backed my opinions up with facts,if you would look back at this thread.I really don't understand why everybody is bashing on me right now,I was just posting my opinion on this like everybody else.
And I am fully aware of the FACT that
my opinion is just that...a opinion.In no way am I forcing my opinion on anybody,I'm just throwing it out there.
Opal storm wrote:I still think interaction with land over SE LA should have caused Camille to weaken before landfall.Remember cat 5 hurricanes must have perfect conditions to maintain that strength.Considering much of Camille's western half was over SE LA before landfall in MS, and it encountered shallower water and possibly cooler SST's off the coast,that's not favorable for any cat 5.
Looking at this track Camille's eye came pretty close to making landfall in extreme SE LA before hitting MS.
Cat 5 storms do need perfect conditions...now that's a fact.Considering that almost all of Camille's western side was over SE LA that could've caused some weakening.I do think that Camille was a cat 5 while passing SE LA but weaken to a strong 4 due to interaction with land.Becuase as you can see on that track I posted,the eye came extremely close to extreme SE LA before landfall in MS.
Just a opinion folks,I am not forcing anybody to believe this and I'm sorry if anybody felt that I was.I mean no disrespect.
If one looks carefully at this SST diagram, taken yesterday I believe, you will note the much spoken of "Gulf Loop" leading to an "appendage" of sorts going ALL the WAY to the actual La/Miss Coast... Now I KNOW the argument goes well beyond those of SST's... but at least this can show that an SST capable of supporting a 5 most definitely CAN go all the way to the NGOM... Camille has shown the pressures/intensities are possible there, this leaves only the interactions with baroclinic fronts and/or dry air entrainment from the continental regions... is there anyone bold enough to say that it is "impossible" for all these conditions to be at play, such that a high 4 to a 5 just "could conceivably" reach the NGOM? Well, perhaps there are some; but I am convinced they would constitute a distinct minority. The conditions, if met, are decidedly possible, and I, along with the vast majority of those who've researched Camille even up to a revisit of it in 1987, firmly believe it.
Don't try to put an "etched in stone" constraint on Mother Nature's potential--particularly in an area that is at best a very cloudy shade of gray (nothing clearly black-and-white) ; as she tends to have ways that would very seriously embarrass those espousing such limits.
A2K
I agree.SST's can support a cat 5 all the to the coast.But SST's and shallow waters aren't really the biggest problem for cat 4/5 hurricanes that approach the NGOM,IMO it's the wind shear and dry air that really gets
them.Upper-level winds are rarely favorable for major hurricanes moving
north in the Gulf.The troughs that drop down that cause them to
move toward the central Gulf Coast and to weaken with shear and dry air
entrainment before landfall.I don't think anybody said it is totally impossible for a cat 5 to hit the north/central Gulf coast,but it's extremely rare.I think a cat 5 can hit the north central Gulf coast,but I would consider it a once in a lifetime event,that's just my opinion though. Does this mean everybody along the NGOM should just let their guard down to anything higher than a 3?Heck no,a cat 4/5 may be unlikely but you don't want to take that chance.Besides,Katrina proved it doesn't take a cat 5 to wipe entire cities off the map and kill over a thousand people.
I'd like to see the research they have done.
But if Derek doesn't think Camille was a 5 I'm sure there are others out there that think the same.
