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#301 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:31 pm

HurricaneHunter914 wrote:Anyway, Global Warming also melts the ice caps which adds more cold water to the tropics which would make the water slightly cooler.



Snow reflects 50 to 80 percent of the solar energy/rays(Light waves)back into space....Meaning the ones that do make it through the clouds,Atmosphere. As the Ice capes melt water reflects alot less in takes in alot more. Which warms the water making more ice to melt. So as you can see global warming might be very bad. The Gulf stream is the one little thing that could be up in the air.
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#302 Postby Brent » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:40 pm

gatorcane wrote:here we go. I bet we'll see 5000 views by 12:00 tonight....

watch this board go nuts

:eek: :eek: :eek:


Just under 8,000 as of 11:40pm ET.
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#303 Postby gatorcane » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:42 pm

Brent wrote:
gatorcane wrote:here we go. I bet we'll see 5000 views by 12:00 tonight....

watch this board go nuts

:eek: :eek: :eek:


Just under 8,000 as of 11:40pm ET.


amazing :eek:
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#304 Postby wxman57 » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:50 pm

stormtruth wrote:Shouldn't you at least look more closely at the last five or ten years for recent trends? Even some experts who don't think global warming has an impact still believe we are in a cycle of increased activity.


Actually, very early on in my studies I began comparing the very active period from the 1940s through the 1960s to the current pattern. Very similar in terms of the Atlantic MDO and Pacific Decadal Oscillation. I figured I'd find that many more named storms formed during the last active cycle. To my surprise, I found that there were actually fewer named storms per season in the active period than in the relatively inactive period from 1970-1994. It wasn't much of a difference - about 9.8 storms per season (cool Atlantic) versus about 9.4 storm per season (warm Atlantic).

Of course, these days the NHC is naming subtropical storms, so that average will go up by 2-3 per season in the future.

Let's take a look at the past 11 season's "B" storm formation date:

1995 -- July 5
1996 -- July 5
1997 -- July 11
1998 -- Aug 19
1999 -- Aug 18
2000 -- Aug 13
2001 -- Aug 2
2002 -- Aug 4
2003 -- June 28
2004 -- Aug 3
2005 -- June 28

So even in this very active cycle, the "B" storm formed in August 6 of the 11 years, more than 50% of the time. So my statement that the "B" storm may have to wait 4-5 weeks might not be so far off the mark. At least we can all hope Beryl doesn't form until August, right? ;-)
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#305 Postby KatDaddy » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:55 pm

Here is another view.

Thanks wxman57 for the sensibilty. I highly value your thoughts.
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#306 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:55 pm

If something forms into Beryl tomorrow (which is highly unlikely), then that would make Beryl the latest "B" storm to form in June.
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#307 Postby Matt-hurricanewatcher » Thu Jun 29, 2006 10:59 pm

wxman57 wrote:
stormtruth wrote:Shouldn't you at least look more closely at the last five or ten years for recent trends? Even some experts who don't think global warming has an impact still believe we are in a cycle of increased activity.


Actually, very early on in my studies I began comparing the very active period from the 1940s through the 1960s to the current pattern. Very similar in terms of the Atlantic MDO and Pacific Decadal Oscillation. I figured I'd find that many more named storms formed during the last active cycle. To my surprise, I found that there were actually fewer named storms per season in the active period than in the relatively inactive period from 1970-1994. It wasn't much of a difference - about 9.8 storms per season (cool Atlantic) versus about 9.4 storm per season (warm Atlantic).

Of course, these days the NHC is naming subtropical storms, so that average will go up by 2-3 per season in the future.

Let's take a look at the past 11 season's "B" storm formation date:

1995 -- July 5
1996 -- July 5
1997 -- July 11
1998 -- Aug 19
1999 -- Aug 18
2000 -- Aug 13
2001 -- Aug 2
2002 -- Aug 4
2003 -- June 28
2004 -- Aug 3
2005 -- June 28

So even in this very active cycle, the "B" storm formed in August 6 of the 11 years, more than 50% of the time. So my statement that the "B" storm may have to wait 4-5 weeks might not be so far off the mark. At least we can all hope Beryl doesn't form until August, right? ;-)



Thank you Wxman57. I love reading your reseach. Keep on posting new stuff.
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#308 Postby hriverajr » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:18 pm

gatorcane wrote:
Extremeweatherguy wrote:
wxman57 wrote:Not much to it tonight. Thunderstorms are just about gone and it's moving ashore tomorrow. Just a puff of thunderstorms today. Forget about it. Go take the weekend and 4th of July off and have a great time. Might not see any development for another 4-5 weeks. Just a typical June/July pattern.
I think that can almost be considered -removed-. How do you know for a fact that nothing will develop for 4-5 weeks? Also, if it is "gone", how come the NHC is saying it has a chance? That makes no sense to me at all.


He is pro met, so that helps. Also the NHC basically is blowing it off in so many words...


He was pessimistic about the last system as well... and it developed.. thunderstorms are not gone...
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#309 Postby stormtruth » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:21 pm

wxman57 wrote:
stormtruth wrote:Shouldn't you at least look more closely at the last five or ten years for recent trends? Even some experts who don't think global warming has an impact still believe we are in a cycle of increased activity.


Actually, very early on in my studies I began comparing the very active period from the 1940s through the 1960s to the current pattern. Very similar in terms of the Atlantic MDO and Pacific Decadal Oscillation. I figured I'd find that many more named storms formed during the last active cycle. To my surprise, I found that there were actually fewer named storms per season in the active period than in the relatively inactive period from 1970-1994. It wasn't much of a difference - about 9.8 storms per season (cool Atlantic) versus about 9.4 storm per season (warm Atlantic).

Of course, these days the NHC is naming subtropical storms, so that average will go up by 2-3 per season in the future.

Let's take a look at the past 11 season's "B" storm formation date:

1995 -- July 5
1996 -- July 5
1997 -- July 11
1998 -- Aug 19
1999 -- Aug 18
2000 -- Aug 13
2001 -- Aug 2
2002 -- Aug 4
2003 -- June 28
2004 -- Aug 3
2005 -- June 28

So even in this very active cycle, the "B" storm formed in August 6 of the 11 years, more than 50% of the time. So my statement that the "B" storm may have to wait 4-5 weeks might not be so far off the mark. At least we can all hope Beryl doesn't form until August, right? ;-)


Well you did give yourself a 50/50 shot if it follows the ten year trends! :D It looks like from 1995-2005 we have averaged about 14 storms so this period looks to be more active than the others. Hope is always a good thing.
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#310 Postby skysummit » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:30 pm

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#311 Postby cheezyWXguy » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:33 pm

where you have circles is the what im pretty shure is the "circulation" (which i actually saw on EWG's sat loop)of the storm
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#312 Postby Jim Cantore » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:35 pm

Could this be another Bret (1999 or 2005)?
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#313 Postby HurricaneHunter914 » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:46 pm

If the circulation is there then for this storm to develop it needs more convection near the center.
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#314 Postby boca » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:46 pm

Skysummit you have a good eye. Let's see if it explodes.
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#315 Postby tailgater » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:48 pm

cheezywxman wrote:where you have circles is the what im pretty shure is the "circulation" (which i actually saw on EWG's sat loop)of the storm

Probably a mid level Circ. with pressures high near Veracruz 1017mb but could work it's way down to the surface in time if has much.
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#316 Postby skysummit » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:48 pm

boca wrote:Skysummit you have a good eye. Let's see if it explodes.


LOL...I want to go to bed, but I'm so interested to see what happens. So far it's still expanding (that T-storm, that is).
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#317 Postby fasterdisaster » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:54 pm

It looks like it does have that circulation going eh? A little weak on convection though, but Beryl anyone :eek:
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#318 Postby Johnny » Thu Jun 29, 2006 11:55 pm

Their is a definate twist in the area no doubt. More than likely in the middle layers of the atmosphere. I was surprised to see convection still ongoing in this area at this time of night.
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#319 Postby tailgater » Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:02 am

skysummit wrote:
boca wrote:Skysummit you have a good eye. Let's see if it explodes.


LOL...I want to go to bed, but I'm so interested to see what happens. So far it's still expanding (that T-storm, that is).


Skysummit if your eye explodes it's gonna be hard to see anything. :wink:
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#320 Postby skysummit » Fri Jun 30, 2006 12:04 am

tailgater wrote:
skysummit wrote:
boca wrote:Skysummit you have a good eye. Let's see if it explodes.


LOL...I want to go to bed, but I'm so interested to see what happens. So far it's still expanding (that T-storm, that is).


Skysummit if your eye explodes it's gonna be hard to see anything. :wink:


LOL...too funny! I've been watching so many satellite views tonight, I feel like it's going to explode. :lol:
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