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Alberto-related deaths? Perhaps.....

#1 Postby Ixolib » Wed Jun 14, 2006 8:37 pm

While it has been reported that Alberto caused no deaths, I kinda take a different viewpoint. As depicted in the story below, two men died on Saturday afternoon during a severe storm generated by TS Alberto. As shown in the last paragraph, the NWS said the storm was an "outflow boundary" which I'm assuming is a direct result or consequence of Alberto.

If Alberto did not exist, would these two have died??

For those who don't know the area, Egmont Key is at the mouth of Tampa Bay - just about due west of the Skyway Bridge.

2 Drown Trying to Rescue Boater Near Egmont Key
MARLON A. WALKER
Published June 11, 2006
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ST. PETERSBURG — Two men drowned Saturday afternoon in Tampa Bay after jumping in the water to save a female boater who had fallen off the boat.

Officials said Saturday night that alcohol may have been involved, and no life jackets were being worn, although several were thrown into the water after the three passengers went overboard.

St. Petersburg Fire Rescue Lt. Rick Feinberg said two couples were out near Egmont Key in a 21-foot Mako when one of the women fell overboard. Her husband, Richard Hostutler of Plant City, who had been steering, jumped in to help her.

James Smith of Valrico took over steering, Feinberg said, tried to turn the boat around, then jumped in to help the woman.
Smith’s wife stayed on board and called authorities about 6:30 p.m., Feinberg said.

Florida Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission spokeswoman Joy Hill said the three people in the water were caught in a strong tide and pushed away from the boat. The rescue was complicated by strong winds that made navigation difficult.

Passers-by in another boat saw the woman in the boat yelling for help. They pulled the three people out of the water. It is not known when the men were pronounced dead, she said.

The men’s bodies were brought to shore aboard two boats, while another ferried in the wives.

“We’ve recovered the bodies of the two males, and informed the women that their husbands were dead," Feinberg said.

Saturday evening, Fish and Wildlife Conservation Commission officials were talking to the women, who were taken to Brandon Regional Hospital for observation, to determine exactly what happened. Feinberg said the agency was also going to inspect the boat.

John Iannone was grilling with his family at Fort De Soto Park’s Gulf Pier about 6:30 p.m. Saturday when winds kicked up, a heavy rain started and the sky went black. The storm lasted only a few minutes, he said.

“By the time we got the grill in the car, it was over," he said, watching as Fire Rescue officials wheeled a body off the pier. “There was no time to get out of the way as it came so fast."

National Weather Service forecaster Tom Dougherty said a weather pattern called an outflow boundary came to the area from the southern part of the state. The weather pattern appeared from Tampa Bay to 85 miles west of Egmont Key, producing dark clouds, rain and wind gusts up to 35 knots, he said.

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#2 Postby lurkey » Wed Jun 14, 2006 10:48 pm

There was one flooding-related death in Louisburg, NC related to the remnants of Alberto

Alberto's remnants were also blamed in the death of Motton Watson, who drowned while playing basketball with some friends. Authorities said the 13-year-old fell into a Franklin County creek near Louisburg and that the water sent Watson downstream, where his head got stuck in a storm drain. He was pronounced dead at Franklin Regional Hospital.

A ball went into a little drainage ditch on one side of the street," Franklin County Sheriff Jerry Jones said. "When they went down to get the ball, the current pulled one of the boys ... through the drainpipe and under the street. His friend was right there with him, but he just couldn't grab him."
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#3 Postby therealashe » Thu Jun 15, 2006 3:47 pm

There was a death in Tallahassee as well....


http://www.tdo.com/apps/pbcs.dll/articl ... 010/NEWS17


Car crash in rain kills local woman
By TaMaryn Waters
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A three-car crash caused hours of blocked traffic and claimed the life of a Tallahassee woman late Tuesday morning.

Christina Frances, 26, was driving a Ford Explorer on Thomasville Road when the SUV overturned. She died at the scene, according to Sgt. David Frimmel of the Leon County Sheriff's Office.

Sheriff's deputies, officers from the Tallahassee Police Department and the Tallahassee Fire Department were called out to Thomasville Road and Woodbine Drive around 11:45 a.m.

The area was littered with debris from the crash, and traffic slowed to a snail's pace north on Thomasville Road.

Frimmel said the crash is still under investigation.

"Rain is definitely a contributing factor," he said. It's possible that Frances lost control while driving.

He said Frances was struck by two vehicles while she was traveling south on Thomasville Road, forcing her into the northbound traffic. At this point, investigators haven't been able to determine what exactly caused the crash or how her vehicle flipped over.

"It's going to be weeks to have a handle on what happened," Frimmel said. "It's a very complicated investigation." He also couldn't say for sure if Frances was wearing a seat belt.

The drivers of the two other vehicles sustained minor injuries from the crash. Frimmel said they were either treated at the scene or taken to Tallahassee Memorial Hospital.
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#4 Postby senorpepr » Thu Jun 15, 2006 4:07 pm

I believe all of the aforementioned deaths would be considered indirect deaths toward Alberto.
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#5 Postby Ixolib » Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:00 pm

senorpepr wrote:I believe all of the aforementioned deaths would be considered indirect deaths toward Alberto.


Which, I suppose, brings up another (although morbid) question. When the "authorities" determine storm-related deaths and injuries, does anyone know on what criteria that determination is based?

In other words - and hypothetically speaking - if an individual is killed by a falling limb, and then at the same time another individual falls off a boat in heavy seas and drowns - both of which were caused by the same storm - which one would classify as direct or indirect? And how long before or after landfall does a related death or injury count toward the overall number?
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#6 Postby CrazyC83 » Thu Jun 15, 2006 5:31 pm

Ixolib wrote:
senorpepr wrote:I believe all of the aforementioned deaths would be considered indirect deaths toward Alberto.


Which, I suppose, brings up another (although morbid) question. When the "authorities" determine storm-related deaths and injuries, does anyone know on what criteria that determination is based?

In other words - and hypothetically speaking - if an individual is killed by a falling limb, and then at the same time another individual falls off a boat in heavy seas and drowns - both of which were caused by the same storm - which one would classify as direct or indirect? And how long before or after landfall does a related death or injury count toward the overall number?


Direct deaths are those that die, literally, as a result of the winds, storm surge, tornadoes, inland flooding, ocean waves or rip currents.

Examples for each:
*Winds --> Crushed to death in a collapsed building or by a tree, or hit by flying debris
*Storm surge --> Caught in the surge and drowned
*Tornadoes are almost always direct
*Inland flooding --> Swept away by a flash flood or drowned
*Ocean waves --> Drowned in a capsized boat or swept away by a wave
*Rip currents are always direct (there is no way a rip current can lead to a semi-related death)

Indirect deaths are deaths that would not have happened if it weren't for the storm, but were not caused by the elements.

Examples of such:
*Cleanup or evacuation incidents (i.e. electrocution, evacuation accidents)
*Fires or poisoning as a result of power loss
*Most car accidents, i.e. losing control on a wet or flooded road
*Dying while waiting for help (due to medical conditions or time)
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