The 1954 Analog

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#21 Postby wxmann_91 » Sun May 21, 2006 2:20 pm

ronjon wrote:Take JB's "forecast" with a huge grain of salt. Anyone that predicts 3 Major Hurricanes impacting the US this season is pretty far out on a limb. Remember, this is the guy that kept sayin Katrina was headed to Houston. There is no doubt we are in a warm phase of the AMO which means we will have higher than average number of storms for perhaps the next 10 to 40 years. It's also a La Nina year which means lower than average wind shear in the atlantic basin. JB might be correct this year but it'll be shear luck or persistence (i.e. if ya say it often enuff, it's bound to happen). My prediction this year - more storms than average with several Cape Verde origin storms developing - last year shear pretty much ripped up the Cape Verde development - don't see it happening this year.


Analogs are not forecasts. They are what the forecaster thinks the steering patterns will favor, in terms of storm tracks and storm tracks only. IMO JB is pretty good at pattern recognition and LR forecasting, he just overhypes things sometimes.
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Re: The 1954 Analog

#22 Postby caribepr » Sun May 21, 2006 2:50 pm

Portastorm wrote: Talk about a summer of extremes!

Gonna be interesting to watch this develop.


It is the summer I was born...extremes indeed :D
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#23 Postby benny » Sun May 21, 2006 2:50 pm

1954 is a very poor analog to this season... a strong La Nina was coming during that summer.. the opposite of what is expected for this one. Now broad steering currents may be one thing.. but April/May only have so much resemblance to the hurricane season.
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#24 Postby ronjon » Sun May 21, 2006 3:02 pm

Extremeweatherguy wrote:
ronjon wrote:Take JB's "forecast" with a huge grain of salt. Anyone that predicts 3 Major Hurricanes impacting the US this season is pretty far out on a limb. Remember, this is the guy that kept sayin Katrina was headed to Houston. There is no doubt we are in a warm phase of the AMO which means we will have higher than average number of storms for perhaps the next 10 to 40 years. It's also a La Nina year which means lower than average wind shear in the atlantic basin. JB might be correct this year but it'll be shear luck or persistence (i.e. if ya say it often enuff, it's bound to happen). My prediction this year - more storms than average with several Cape Verde origin storms developing - last year shear pretty much ripped up the Cape Verde development - don't see it happening this year.
Katrina heading to Houston? Actually, Joe Bastardi was always consistant in the thinking that Katrina was heading to New Orleans; he even predicted a New Orleans hit last July/August MONTHS in advance. As for the Houston storm, that was Rita, and actually that was a very good forecast. He called for it to hit Houston when the NHC was still saying Brownsville. Turns out he was wrong (as it hit east of Houston), but he really was not all that far off. As for the 3 majors hitting the US in a single season...that is really not all that impossible....for example: 2004 had Charley, Jeanne and Ivan and 2005 had Katrina, Dennis and Rita. If it has happened the last two years, then why wouldn't it happen again?


Okay, I got the wrong storm..it was Rita. Hey, I like JB. He is good at picking up global patterns a week or two ahead of them actually happening (when Opehlia formed last year). But he just hypes things too much for me. I'm a scientist so in my field you tend to be cautious or else you may look like a fool (didn't JB say Ivan would hit NO?). As far as the odds of 3 majors striking the US two years in a row, well, I haven't checked the record but for that to happen three years in a row seems to be fairly low odds. Remember, we've had extremely active seasons from 1995-2002 (except the El Nino years), yet only 3 major storms made landfall out of 27 total major storms that formed. Yes, I know the steering patterns change - I'm not saying it can't happen, I'm just saying anyone who forecasts it is a little nuts. :)
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#25 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Sun May 21, 2006 3:04 pm

Ok..I just logged onto Accuweather and this is what I found:

-Joe Bastardi is really worried about the Gulf over the next 1-3 weeks, and he thinks that a 1954 Alice-like situation may develop.

http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/c ... _track.png
^^Track for Hurricane Alice in 1954^^

Also, he does not really have a set of analog years for the upcoming season, but he does mention several years in his tropical outlook. These years include:

1954, 1944, 1938, 1996, 2003, 1955, 1991, 1999, 1961, 1971, ETC.

He also says that:

-Rita was a warning that many more major hurricanes will target the western Gulf over the next many years.

-Wilma was a warning that Florida may see many more late season storms (October) over the next many years.
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#26 Postby Rainband » Sun May 21, 2006 3:26 pm

Sorry but the only way to tell where these storms will go is when they get there. With all due respect the only thing that wilma and rita and katrina tell us is to be ready from maine to texas. The only thing we know is we are in an active period for years to come. The season hasn't even started yet so steering currents in place now can't be used as a reference to what will or may happen this season. It's a guessing game. Plain and simple. Yes certain things will influence this season but they are by no means set in stone :wink:
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#27 Postby ronjon » Sun May 21, 2006 3:38 pm

Actually, speaking of analog years - how about 1950? I don't understand 1954 since it wasn't even a La Nina year.

http://www.wunderground.com/hurricane/at1950.asp
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#28 Postby CHRISTY » Sun May 21, 2006 3:57 pm

On Talkin Tropics last thursday william gray was asked which year reminds him track wise to 2006!he said this year track wise might be very similar to 2004 and 2005....that sent chills down my spin.I think am gonna take his word for it.
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#29 Postby benny » Sun May 21, 2006 3:58 pm

1954 was definitely La Nina during the season:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/a ... ears.shtml

1950 was also La Nina so they don't really work
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#30 Postby ronjon » Sun May 21, 2006 4:17 pm

benny wrote:1954 was definitely La Nina during the season:
http://www.cpc.ncep.noaa.gov/products/a ... ears.shtml

1950 was also La Nina so they don't really work


The site I researched indicated 1955 was the La Nina year. I saw your link so part of 1954 was a La Nina - but it didn't start till Mar-May. Our present La Nina started last October so I'm not sure the years are that much alike. Looking at the monthly La Nina Index, 1995 might be a better analog year.
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#31 Postby Rainband » Sun May 21, 2006 4:32 pm

CHRISTY wrote:On Talkin Tropics last thursday william gray was asked which year reminds him track wise to 2006!he said this year track wise might be very similar to 2004 and 2005....that sent chills down my spin.I think am gonna take his word for it.
Easy sets chills up my spine. That was one weird Cane :eek:
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#32 Postby jasons2k » Sun May 21, 2006 4:37 pm

I stumbled on this track today - how bizarre is this??

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif
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#33 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Sun May 21, 2006 4:53 pm

jschlitz wrote:I stumbled on this track today - how bizarre is this??

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif
wow! That would be a horrible storm for the entire Gulf coast. If the storm was big enough it prob. meant TS force winds in Houston, Hurricane force winds in N.O. and a rare hurricane landfall on Florida's big bend.
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#34 Postby Portastorm » Sun May 21, 2006 5:32 pm

Extremeweatherguy wrote:
jschlitz wrote:I stumbled on this track today - how bizarre is this??

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif
wow! That would be a horrible storm for the entire Gulf coast. If the storm was big enough it prob. meant TS force winds in Houston, Hurricane force winds in N.O. and a rare hurricane landfall on Florida's big bend.


Equally horrible would be the 98-page thread we'd have on such a storm on S2K!! :lol:
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#35 Postby southerngale » Sun May 21, 2006 5:47 pm

Portastorm wrote:
Extremeweatherguy wrote:
jschlitz wrote:I stumbled on this track today - how bizarre is this??

http://weather.unisys.com/hurricane/atl ... /track.gif
wow! That would be a horrible storm for the entire Gulf coast. If the storm was big enough it prob. meant TS force winds in Houston, Hurricane force winds in N.O. and a rare hurricane landfall on Florida's big bend.


Equally horrible would be the 98-page thread we'd have on such a storm on S2K!! :lol:


98? Oh, how you underestimate these folks!
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#36 Postby brunota2003 » Sun May 21, 2006 5:50 pm

with all due respect to JB...but he did state that the Carolinas were going to be in trouble last year...and did anyone notice that only Ophelia hit us (as in we were not completely devastated...)? accuwx also had Ophelia hitting NO...so the whole "everywhere is going to get slammed" thing is getting kinda old if you catch my drift...however...a year similar to 1954 would be very...uh....BAD
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#37 Postby brunota2003 » Sun May 21, 2006 5:51 pm

SG...your right on that...more like 400 pages...:lol:
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#38 Postby Rainband » Sun May 21, 2006 6:06 pm

brunota2003 wrote:SG...your right on that...more like 400 pages...:lol:
or 4000 :eek: :lol:
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