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#21 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:15 am

If you took the whole World and averaged out the Global Mean temp for Winter 2005 - 2006; you would find that it was below average. North America may have been on the warm side, but this was an anomaly rather than part of the larger scale over all Climatic trend.
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#22 Postby kenl01 » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:13 pm

Thanks for the info Hybridstorm_November2001 !


Heavy snow in northern Great Britain - 12 Mar 06 - A late season storm dropped
more than 20cm (8 inches) of snow across parts of Scotland, Northern England and Wales, making roads impassable and closing airports across Scotland. The storm brought 24 cm (9.5 inches) of snow to parts of Glasgow and more than an inch of rain to other parts of Northern Britain.
http://www.bbc.co.uk/weather/world/news ... news.shtml

Thousands stranded by heavy snow in Scotland - 12 Mar 06 - The M74 motorway linking Scotland and England was closed to northbound traffic at Johnstonebridge, while the A9 to Inverness was shut in two places. Some 3,000 people were stranded in Glasgow and had to seek shelter.
Snow also fell in Liverpool, Manchester and Newcastle.
More heavy snow is expected on Monday, affecting mainly northern England and southern and eastern Scotland.
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/4796492.stm
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#23 Postby P.K. » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:52 pm

No snow here sadly. The month is currently 2.9C below average though up to 15th March. http://www.climate-uk.com/
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Record snow in Switzerland

#24 Postby kenl01 » Mon Mar 27, 2006 6:35 am

8 Mar 06 – I received an email today from a reader in
Switzerland who said that they just had the heaviest snowfall since records began in 1931 - totalling 54 cm in 24 hours. Snow levels in Switzerland this year are 100 - 200% of normal
in many parts of the country.
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#25 Postby x-y-no » Mon Mar 27, 2006 10:08 am

Hybridstorm_November2001 wrote:If you took the whole World and averaged out the Global Mean temp for Winter 2005 - 2006; you would find that it was below average. North America may have been on the warm side, but this was an anomaly rather than part of the larger scale over all Climatic trend.



Care to provide some objective basis for this claim?

Here's the data I found:



2006 Monthly Global Surface
Temperature Tracker

February 2006: 0.81°F above the 1880-2005 long-term mean. The 7th warmest February on record.

January 2006: 0.50°F above the 1880-2005 long-term mean. The 13th warmest January on record.

Source: National Climatic Data Center (NCDC)





2006 Monthly Global Troposphere
Temperature Tracker
(Measured by Satellite for the layer
2-6 miles above the Earth's surface)


February 2006: 0.23°F above the 1979-2005 mean. The 10th warmest February on record.

January 2006: 0.16°F above the 1979-2005 mean. The 11th warmest January on record.

Source: National Climatic Data Center (NCDC)
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#26 Postby Hybridstorm_November2001 » Thu Mar 30, 2006 5:37 pm

1979 - 2005 and 1880 - 2005, and it still wasn't a full degree F above average. Hmm. I think for a true Climatic Picture you would need records going back thousand of years, rather than dozens of years. You would need ice cores, like those found in Glaciers for example:

http://www.udel.edu/PR/UDaily/2003/legates041003.html
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#27 Postby x-y-no » Fri Mar 31, 2006 1:57 pm

Hybridstorm_November2001 wrote:1979 - 2005 and 1880 - 2005, and it still wasn't a full degree F above average. Hmm. I think for a true Climatic Picture you would need records going back thousand of years, rather than dozens of years. You would need ice cores, like those found in Glaciers for example:

http://www.udel.edu/PR/UDaily/2003/legates041003.html


I can find nothing in that article to support your claim that:

If you took the whole World and averaged out the Global Mean temp for Winter 2005 - 2006; you would find that it was below average. North America may have been on the warm side, but this was an anomaly rather than part of the larger scale over all Climatic trend.


Try again.
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#28 Postby Trugunzn » Wed Apr 12, 2006 2:50 pm

If we are in Global warming then why did asia and Europe had its coldest temps in years. Also Hawaii had snow this year and that is very rare!
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#29 Postby Extremeweatherguy » Wed Apr 12, 2006 3:31 pm

Also, if we are under extreme and rapid GW..then how come Antarctica is cooling?

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/200200 ... _sys.shtml
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#30 Postby x-y-no » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:32 pm

Trugunzn wrote:If we are in Global warming then why did asia and Europe had its coldest temps in years. Also Hawaii had snow this year and that is very rare!


Local does not equal global. Global warming does not mean one can't still see regional cold extremes, even on a seasonal timescale.
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#31 Postby x-y-no » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:35 pm

Extremeweatherguy wrote:Also, if we are under extreme and rapid GW..then how come Antarctica is cooling?

http://www.scienceagogo.com/news/200200 ... _sys.shtml


See my reply in the other thread. Ocean-air couples climate models predict only very gradual warming in Antactica due to the buffering effect of the circumpolar ocean.

I'll add that it's not accurate to say simply "Antarctica is cooling". Substantial parts are, but other parts (particularly the peninsula) are warming. The average across the continent is very close to no change.
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#32 Postby P.K. » Wed Apr 12, 2006 4:59 pm

x-y-no wrote:
See my reply in the other thread. Ocean-air couples climate models predict only very gradual warming in Antactica due to the buffering effect of the circumpolar ocean.


Are there not some models that while showing a warming over the rest of a globe predict a cooling over part of Antarctica?
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#33 Postby Trugunzn » Wed Apr 12, 2006 6:30 pm

Also this is the 4th year in row NYC got over 40" and they had there worst snowstorm in history. Another thing is remember around japan they got over 13 feet of snow from one storm!
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