hurricanes with 2 major landfalls

[BayouVenteux]

We're talking about hurricanes that struck the US twice as a major. I do not understand how New Orleans barely got scathed by Camille since she was a Cat 5 and Camille hit within 10 miles of Katrina.

Camille was tiny and Katrina was huge.

Camille was not that tiny. That is/was a myth.

Hurricane Georges. Hit Puerto Rico then me.

Relative term "tiny". Though Camille's center made final landfall around the Pass, the wind field on the eastern half was of respectable scale. Anecdotal evidence from the time recalls sustained hurricane force winds present in metropolitan Mobile, which is a good 90 miles east of Pass Christian.

The hurricane/tropical storm force winds in the weaker western half of the storm apparently did not extend very far. Reports indicate Slidell experienced 90-100 mph winds, but much of New Orleans only saw 40-50 mph with gusts to 60. Not sure what areas around and adjacent to Lake Pontchartrain saw with Camille, but I know with the much larger Katrina moderate-to-strong tropical storm force winds were recorded in great abundance around and east of Baton Rouge, while once past the Hammond area, gusts were frequently recorded at or above hurricane force. Of course, the wind velocities experienced ramped up considerably the further east you were.

[Huckster]

I do not believe that the center of the eye crossed LA; thus, it did not technically make landfall, but instead scored a direct hit. The effects were the same though for Plaquemines

For what it's worth, the eye of Camille did in fact have to cross over extreme eastern LA in far eastern St. Bernard Parish before the MS landfall.

[terstorm1012]

Makes sense Huckster...and back then most of that was likely still actual land too...so yea you can say Camille made two landfalls.

[HurricaneHunter914]

Dennis, Emily, and Frances also.

[Scorpion]

Dennis, Emily, and Frances also.

Huh?

[TSmith274]

The effects were the same though for Plaquemines

Yeah you're right. I didn't realize it, but after Camille, the town of Buras was wiped out. As a matter of fact, only six structures survived in a town of 6,000 residents. That's encouraging because it is wiped out again, and I was going back and forth about rebuilding my place down there... not much progress yet.

[Tampa Bay Hurricane]

Dennis, Emily, and Frances also.

Huh?

Dennis struck Cuba as a Category 4 150 mph winds and FL Panhandle
with major Category 3 Force Winds so it made 2 landfalls as a major.
I think Emily struck Yucatan as Category 4 and Mexico south of Brownsville TX as Category 3...or something like that.
Frances struck Bahamas as a major and was close to major when it
struck FL.

Frances btw is the storm in my avatar when it was on top of
Tampa Bay after crossing Florida- lots of high wind 60 mph
during that storm in Tampa Bay.

[Jim Cantore]

Most people think of Camille as affecting Mississippi. But, Camille did make landfall in Louisiana first........MGC

Yes, and actually very near Buras, as Katrina did. I belive it was more toward Venice, which is only about 10 miles south... or perhaps Pilottown which is about another ten miles south. One interesting thing is that with both landfalls being so close, Katrina wiped lower Plaquemines off the map. Camille, while bad, didn't turn the lower end of the parish into a complete wasteland, as Katrina did. However, I suppose 15-20 miles can make a huge difference.

Katrina was 3 times Camilles size

[LSU2001]

Camille was smaller than Katrina but she was not a small hurricane. Her winds were confined to a much smaller area than were Katrina's and the surge was confined mostly to Mississippi Gulf Coast. Camille was bad but Katrina was even worse for the Gulf Coast. Since riding through Gulfport last week I know the damage was much worse from Katrina than from Camille.
TIm

[HalloweenGale]

BOB in 1991, made landfall in Montauk,Block Island, and Newport

[Aslkahuna]

Yes, Katrina was not a major in FL but had a landfall in LA and then MS which are the two landfalls needed to qualify.

Steve

[Audrey2Katrina]

I do not believe that the center of the eye crossed LA; thus, it did not technically make landfall, but instead scored a direct hit. The effects were the same though for Plaquemines

Actually, this advisory on Camille leaves little doubt:

0 GMT 8/18/69 29.4N 89.1W 190 909 Category 5 Hurricane

I don't know if this link (below) will work; but if it does, it'll show the exact location of the storm at this time--you decide.

Now I know that it was a much smaller storm in sheer size than Katrina, but that advisory location leaves very little doubt that it passed, as a 5, over the extreme southern reaches of Plaquemines Parish... perhaps TS's estimate at Pilotown is not far off the mark; there's equally no doubt the actual center didn't strike either Buras or Venice, but she definitely hit the mouth of the river first--one may not wish to call this an "official" landfall, as they didn't seem to count Katrina's crossing Breton Sound before hitting St. Bernard as another one, either--but she did hit the unpopulated (thankfully) reaches of Plaquemines before slamming into the Gulf Coast.

http://tiger.census.gov/cgi-bin/mapsurfer?act=out&outfact=2&map.x=211&map.y=180&lat=29.3992558&lon=-89.1001282&wid=0.720&ht=0.260&iht=359&iwd=422&&&tlevel=-&tvar=-&tmeth=i&mlat=29.4&mlon=-89.1&msym=bigdot&mlabel=&murl=&conf=mapnew.con

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

Katrina was not a major for south Florida.

That is absolutely correct--but her two landfalls in La., and then the La/Miss border qualifies her for this thread--two landfalls as a major, at least IMHO. I also agree that Camille was not "tiny"... now if she's compared to Katrina, she was indeed much smaller in size (VERY few wouldn't be), but from what SAT images I've seen, she was at least a moderate sized storm.

Camille is a question because some "landfalls" simply aren't called landfalls, even though she did strike the mouth of the Miss. R, before slamming into Mississippi, and I don't Know about Betsy's strength passing through, near S. Florida...I thought she came through the Florida strait but not 100% sure on that... perhaps she did landfall there, but I don't know if it was a major then--it certainly was by the time it reached La. Andrew was another, Fla/La double-hit.

Not many--but a few apparently.

A2K

[Audrey2Katrina]

Yes, Katrina was not a major in FL but had a landfall in LA and then MS which are the two landfalls needed to qualify.

Steve

Okay, sorry, didn't mean to be redundant--guess I should've read the whole thread before responding!

A2K

[benny]

It is probably nitpicking just a little bit to talk about two different landfalls from just barrier islands. Katrina make about 1000 landfalls in Louisiana if that's the case Two significantly different areas or two different states I guess is good.. ?

My favorite hurricanes are the ones that hit Florida first then go on westward into the Gulf of Mexico. #2 1919 is a classic.. Cat 4 in both the Florida Keys (though a true landfall is questionable) and also in Texas. I like to use hurricane strikes as a term because the term landfall is pretty meaningless in my view... if the winds got to major hurricane status, that's all that matters.. not if the center crossed the coast and the whole formal definition thing.

Let's see for all two MH landfalls that I can think of.. the Great Miami Hurricane of 1926 qualifies...#4 1947, any of those suckers that hit the NE usa Carol 54 1938, Donna, Betsy, Camille, Andrew... there could be some before 1900 that I don't know.

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

The "September Gale of 1869" made landfall on the Eastern tip of Long Island, and then SW Mass, both as a cat. 3:

[Audrey2Katrina]

It is probably nitpicking just a little bit to talk about two different landfalls from just barrier islands. Katrina make about 1000 landfalls in Louisiana if that's the case Two significantly different areas or two different states I guess is good.. ?


Let's see for all two MH landfalls that I can think of.. the Great Miami Hurricane of 1926 qualifies...#4 1947, any of those suckers that hit the NE usa Carol 54 1938, Donna, Betsy, Camille, Andrew... there could be some before 1900 that I don't know.

I agree with you on the 1,000 Island dressing, , but Katrina hit a lot more than just a bunch of barrier Islands when she slammed into Buras... there can be no doubt about a double hit here, Louisiana, and about 4 hours later La/Mississippi border. I'm also not too sure about that 1947 storm... I KNOW it was major in Florida, but unless there's been an upgrade, all I've seen is that it was a 1, or at best a low 2 when it reached La. I'd still like to know if Betsy was a major hitting Florida... her impact on us here in Cajunland was so immense, we lost all track of what she may have been in Florida.

A2K

[benny]

yes for sure Betsy was a 3 in Florida

[MGC]

Compared to Katrina, Camille was smaller. I was just reading the report on Camille and Keesler had sustained winds of 81mph, so yes the wind field of Camille was smaller. Camille had a very tight core while Katrina had a wide one. Camille did make a direct hit in Louisiana, she passed directly over the islands off the St Benard Parish coast....MGC