NYC evacuation

[f5]

Imagine a Houston evacuation in NYC .in Houston people ran out of gas on the freeway.NYC also has bridges which are going to be jamed even more so if anyone runs out of gas it will be the biggest traffic jam in US history while a storm is crusing north on a trough of low pressure at 50 mph.my question is how do you get everyone out it will be NO x20

[JonathanBelles]

thank god when flying cars come around

[Hurricaneman]

Imagine a Houston evacuation in NYC .in Houston people ran out of gas on the freeway.NYC also has bridges which are going to be jamed even more so if anyone runs out of gas it will be the biggest traffic jam in US history while a storm is crusing north on a trough of low pressure at 50 mph.my question is how do you get everyone out it will be NO x20

That would be the deadliest and worst thing to happen in america with a natural disaster

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

If a 120 mph cat3 hurricane hit new york.

For one it would most likely be flying at 50 mph at the time. The nhc will have a idea that it will hit new york city in less then 36 hours before landfall. Maybe 24 hours. There would be millions of dead and new york would be half gone.

[Derek Ortt]

millions of dead is an exaggeration, but a Bengledesh scenario of more than 100K dead is very realistic from both wind and water (wind from those who attempt a vertical evacuation

[terstorm1012]

Imagine a Houston evacuation in NYC .in Houston people ran out of gas on the freeway.NYC also has bridges which are going to be jamed even more so if anyone runs out of gas it will be the biggest traffic jam in US history while a storm is crusing north on a trough of low pressure at 50 mph.my question is how do you get everyone out it will be NO x20

There are several posts related to this topic both here and in Hurricane Preperation, and NYC Emergency Management has one if not many education programs going on to let people know how to get out if they so choose to leave.

[f5]

you can do all the simulations you want it .you won't know how well it actually works until it happens.NYC is more prone than Gulfport is to surge beacuse the way NY/NJ is shaped like a catchers net

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

Worse would be a tricky storm that the NHC couldn't pin down until less than 24 hr before landfall in/near NYC!

[CrazyC83]

They would try to convince people to only evacuate to higher ground WITHIN the New York area, not leave it entirely.

[Matt-hurricanewatcher]

Why did we build our biggest city where hurricanes can hit it? I mean if a hurricane hits new york we are in a world of hurt.

[terstorm1012]

Why did we build our biggest city where hurricanes can hit it? I mean if a hurricane hits new york we are in a world of hurt.

It was built there for the reason any coastal city anywhere in the world is built. It is a large deepwater port.

Major hurricanes are rare at this latitude too.

[benny]

They could also take the subway out for a while as well as the trains.. the public transit is consderably better up there than in most of the South.

[KWT]

A tricky storm would be by far the worse case, the south of England got caught out in 1987 by a very powerful depression and that only boasted wind gusts of 90mph, so imagine if something like a cat-3 hit NYC with little warning due to uncertainty, that would prove to be a monster disater and possibly dare i say it, make the NO disaster look fairly small.

[conestogo_flood]

Seriously, NYC needs an evacuation drill. We had one in Woolwich Township in the 1990s around here for the refineries down the road. It worked, a lot of people turned out. Cept, NYC, no one would want to spend their day sitting in their cars on jammed highways waiting to leave, then get back in.

If I lived in NYC, I'd be leaving right about... now.

There is a difference between 13,000 people here, and 10 million people there.

[f5]

more people in NYC don't have cars than the entire population ol louisiana.they use mass transit.imagine evacuating millions without cars

[Hybridstorm_November2001]

You don't want to be struck underground in the Subway when it hits I know that.

[thunderchief]

Why did we build our biggest city where hurricanes can hit it?

Because powerful hurricanes are very unlikely to hit it. These great eastern cities all developed around the most protected waters, and that includes NY, contrary to what many posters would have you think.

Yes, evacuating NY is impossible. Yes, it would be a gigantic disaster because the NY metro area is huge. But no, 100k people would not die. Not even remotely close.

[terstorm1012]

Why did we build our biggest city where hurricanes can hit it?

Because powerful hurricanes are very unlikely to hit it. These great eastern cities all developed around the most protected waters, and that includes NY, contrary to what many posters would have you think.

Yes, evacuating NY is impossible. Yes, it would be a gigantic disaster because the NY metro area is huge. But no, 100k people would not die. Not even remotely close.

Glad someone said this...

looking at a map more closely---Yes, NJ and NY make a right angle. But the vertex of that right angle is on Staten Island, Hoboken, Jersey City, Newark, etc. The storm would have to come ashore near Sandy Hook to make the catastrophe that has been gone over again and again on TV and on this board...or would have to come from the South-southwest overland, at which case it'd have to be a 5 at its initial landfall or be baroclinic like Hazel.

If anything, after looking at some maps, I'd imagine that flooding in other parts of the city (Manhattan, Bronx, parts of Brooklyn) would be from water being pushed down Long Island Sound into the East River. Surge in the lower bays would keep the Hudson and East Rivers from emptying out into the sea, so they'd back up into the rivers.

Like I said before, there's postings that detail how the threatened parts of NYC would evacuate. NYC Emergency Management is one of the best in the nation, IMO. Given the challenges in running that city day-to-day and the threats manmade and natural they face, they have to be! Guiliani and Bloomberg really have turned the city around.


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[lurkey]

Mayor Unveils Hurricane Preparedness Plan


Saying New York has learned from mistakes made after Hurricane Katrina, Mayor Michael Bloomberg unveiled the city's own emergency plan Wednesday.

A storm of category four or higher has never hit the city in recorded history, but if even a category one storm were to make landfall, the mayor says there are several parts of the city that would be in danger of flooding.

If a stronger storm were to hit, the mayor said as many as three million people would need to be evacuated.

A team of more than 34,000 city employees - along with a variety of agencies - would organize the mass mobilization and bring residents to evacuation shelters and then onto one of 500 shelters.

The city's hurricane preparedness plan divides the city into color-coded Hurricane Evacuation Zones, distinguished by their degree of hurricane vulnerability.

The city's plan involves using mass transit to help evacuate residents. If a major hurricane were to hit, the city would implement snow emergency traffic regulations.

The city would also ask the state to waive tolls and the MTA to waive fares.

As the result of a key lesson learned from Hurricanes Katrina and Rita, the FDNY would help in evacuating people from hospitals or nursing homes. They would be transported to one of 65 emergency shelters - nearly triple the number the city had just a year ago.

"It's extremely unlikely that such a mass evacuation will ever happen, but if it does, we believe that we're ready," said Bloomberg. “I am confident that we can weather any coastal storms.”

While strong hurricanes are rare here, experts say New York City could easily see one in the near future.

“If you average out the storms of the last 250 years, we are really only hit by one maybe every 70 or 80 years,” said climatologist Jeffrey Schultz. “The last one to hit us was in 1938 further out on Long Island, called ‘The Long Island Express.’ So in a sense we are overdue.”

Assemblyman Richard Brodsky, a critic of the mayor’s plan, says he will hold a hearing on it next month. He says it's confusing and doesn't do enough to bring the elderly and sick to shelter.

“We need a system that’s simpler, that people can actually do,” said Brodsky. “This plan is not it.”

The city plans to send out about 300,000 hurricane preparedness brochures, in 11 different languages, to households considered most vulnerable to coastal storm damage.

New Yorkers can also get a copy by calling 311.

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[Thunder44]

A chill ran down my spine after reading this thread