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Caution....storm of the century coming!

#1 Postby azsnowman » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:07 pm

WOW.......just pulled this off of NASA's website :eek:

http://www.nasa.gov/home/index.html



Solar Storm Warning

03.15.06


Researchers say a storm is coming--the most intense solar maximum in fifty years.
It's official: Solar minimum has arrived. Sunspots have all but vanished. Solar flares are nonexistent. The sun is utterly quiet.

Like the quiet before a storm.

Recently researchers announced that a storm is coming--the most intense solar maximum in fifty years. The prediction comes from a team led by Mausumi Dikpati of the National Center for Atmospheric Research (NCAR). "The next sunspot cycle will be 30% to 50% stronger than the previous one," she says. If correct, the years ahead could produce a burst of solar activity second only to the historic Solar Max of 1958.


That was a solar maximum. The Space Age was just beginning: Sputnik was launched in Oct. 1957 and Explorer 1 (the first US satellite) in Jan. 1958. In 1958 you couldn't tell that a solar storm was underway by looking at the bars on your cell phone; cell phones didn't exist. Even so, people knew something big was happening when Northern Lights were sighted three times in Mexico. A similar maximum now would be noticed by its effect on cell phones, GPS, weather satellites and many other modern technologies.

Right: Intense auroras over Fairbanks, Alaska, in 1958. [More]

Dikpati's prediction is unprecedented. In nearly-two centuries since the 11-year sunspot cycle was discovered, scientists have struggled to predict the size of future maxima--and failed. Solar maxima can be intense, as in 1958, or barely detectable, as in 1805, obeying no obvious pattern.
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#2 Postby coriolis » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:36 pm

I have never seen the northern lights. Maybe this will be my chance.
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#3 Postby Pburgh » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:53 pm

I saw the northern lights one time in the summer of 1961 in Weirton, West Virginia. I was at a drive-in movie and everyone thought the Russians were invading and had set off nuclear bombs!!!!! :eek: :eek: Yep, a panic at the drive-in. :lol: :lol: Those were the good old days.lol The window was a little fogged up :oops: :oops: but from what I could see it was beautiful.
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#4 Postby SouthFloridawx » Thu Mar 16, 2006 12:59 pm

Where is jim hughes when you need him to reply...
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#5 Postby alicia-w » Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:00 pm

oh, no, let me get my dictionary out first.
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#6 Postby Skywatch_NC » Thu Mar 16, 2006 1:46 pm

Pburgh wrote:I saw the northern lights one time in the summer of 1961 in Weirton, West Virginia. I was at a drive-in movie and everyone thought the Russians were invading and had set off nuclear bombs!!!!! :eek: :eek: Yep, a panic at the drive-in. :lol: :lol: Those were the good old days.lol The window was a little fogged up :oops: :oops: but from what I could see it was beautiful.


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#7 Postby Aslkahuna » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:03 pm

First off, this has already been posted over in the Global Weather Forum where all discussions of Space Weather such as this one have been consigned to by the powers that be. IAW the Forum Rules, this thread should also be moved there though I seriously doubt that it will be.

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#8 Postby Miss Mary » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:06 pm

Ah yes the good ole days. I remember having bomb drills, b/c the Russians were attacking us. We'd climb under our desks, curling tight into a ball and covering our heads with our hands. You'd see your teacher, mostly a nun at my parochial school, swish by in her long habit, pointer stick in hand and rosary swinging next her waist.

Ah yes the good ole days - they were SCARY!

So when will be see an increase in solar activity?

Mary
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#9 Postby Yankeegirl » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:09 pm

I think I live a little too far south to see the lights, darn....
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#10 Postby SouthFloridawx » Thu Mar 16, 2006 3:10 pm

Aslkahuna wrote:First off, this has already been posted over in the Global Weather Forum where all discussions of Space Weather such as this one have been consigned to by the powers that be. IAW the Forum Rules, this thread should also be moved there though I seriously doubt that it will be.

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This is an interesting article and some of us (myself) don't make it over to the other forum however I should. This is a good heads up for us.
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#11 Postby azsnowman » Thu Mar 16, 2006 5:20 pm

There Steve, I moved it :ggreen:
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#12 Postby Aslkahuna » Thu Mar 16, 2006 6:36 pm

Those are the rules though and they are stringently enforced on some of us. Once activity levels begin to rise, I will post my Aurora Alerts as needed only in the Global Forum. At this point in time, we have not yet reached Solar Min though activity levels are very low. The actual minimum will be marked by the appearance of the first spots with the polarity of the new cycle in the high Solar latitudes. There's some disagreement as to when this might happen given how the current cycle progressed with some expecting Min this year and some next year. My experience with Solar cycles since 1956 is that as low as the activity levels are now, I doubt that the actual min will be so late. Usually around 1-2 years after min is when we see the first very energetic events so mid to late 2007 is when we can expect to start seeing some action. There are some who correlate the polarity of the cycle with the drought cycles of the West which means that we would have to look back every other cycle from the current to see when they peaked. The current cycle is Cycle 23, cycle 21 peaked in the late 1970s, Cycle 19 in the 1950's, Cycle 17 in the 1930's and so on. Cycle 23 peaked in 2001. Based upon that some are saying the the min will mark a change to wetter conditions in the West-remains to be seen.

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#13 Postby Jim Hughes » Thu Mar 16, 2006 10:28 pm

My thoughts are pretty much in line with Steve's although I think we might see some increased flaring in November of this year. This could be an early prelude to the changing of the cycles. I wrote a forecast up in early 2002 calling for the next minimum to be July 2007.

The real significant increases should start to be seen about 12-18 months later as we rise toward solar maximum. I believe an El Nino will form as we start to see the new sunspot cycle (Cycle 24.) groups make up at least 50 % of the overall sunpot group totals. (And we start to see an increase in flaring...even subflaring....Plage rises etc...

Some people may not be aware of this but the polarity alignment (One polarity leads and the other trails in a sunspot group. Each hemisphere has a reversed pattern) of the sunspot groups can overlap from cycle to cycle until the morphology of the magnetic field has completely reversed hemispheres. This means at the beginning that the old and new cycle groups will have reversed polarities in the same hemisphere... - + ... + -

A La Nina should form when we start to see considerable increases in both solar flaring and geomagnetic activity. The start of major flaring at the higher latitudes (>28 S/N ...... and Forbush Decrease/ Lower GCR levels )

I will post some more stuff down the road a bit. I want to look over some things a little bit more before I give out my official outlook for Cycle 24.


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#14 Postby coriolis » Thu Mar 16, 2006 11:14 pm

Didn't I see somewhere that the polarity of the earths magnetic field was due to flip? Or was it that the magnetic north pole was migrating towards Siberia? Maybe both?

It's always something!
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#15 Postby Aslkahuna » Fri Mar 17, 2006 12:15 am

There has been speculation about the former being possible soon and observations show that the latter is happening right now.

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#17 Postby Jim Hughes » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:28 pm

gigabite wrote:http://home.att.net/~gigabite/pjupiter.gif



I know what you are trying to imply Steve. Maximum might come before hand though. A three year rise would make it right before perhelion. Close call....


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#18 Postby gigabite » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:47 pm

Jim Hughes wrote:
gigabite wrote:http://home.att.net/~gigabite/pjupiter.gif



I know what you are trying to imply Steve. Maximum might come before hand though. A three year rise would make it right before ? perihelion. Close call....


Jim


Tensile strength of the Sun's surface, is a lagging indicator.

***** Perihelion info *****


Orbit of Jupiter vs Sun Cycle

As Jupiter passes it closest approach around the Sun, the gravitational forces begin to pull against each other as centripetal force sends Jupiter out to aphelion. Then after aphelion is achieved and gravity has overcome the centripetal force the deformation of the Sun ceases.
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