NWS MIA Confirms a Strong Bermuda High, a Precursor?

This is the general tropical discussion area. Anyone can take their shot at predicting a storms path.

Moderator: S2k Moderators

Forum rules

The posts in this forum are NOT official forecasts and should not be used as such. They are just the opinion of the poster and may or may not be backed by sound meteorological data. They are NOT endorsed by any professional institution or STORM2K. For official information, please refer to products from the National Hurricane Center and National Weather Service.

Help Support Storm2K
Message
Author
User avatar
gatorcane
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 23694
Age: 47
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:54 pm
Location: Boca Raton, FL

#141 Postby gatorcane » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:07 pm

the pattern can change almost overnight. In 2004, in August there was a deep trough near the EC, which brought everything into the Carolinas, giving them 3 canes in a month. After Gaston and Hermine moved out, a long wave ridge set up, yielding Frances, Ivan, and Jeanne. The pattern can change, which is why I do not pay any attention to what is currently going on


Derek I agree it is early but this strong high is not typical this early. In fact I don't remember the last time it has been so strong so early so I don't think we can just ignore it. I have lived in FL for over 20 years and I don't recall seeing this pattern (except spring 2004 season was similar).Deep troughs do erode this high but only a couple of times this winter so far. In fact as a write this it looks and feels like an August day out there (Boca Raton area, the temps are a bit cooler but that is only because of the relatively cooler water temps keeping them down and strong Southeasterlies) and we are only in March.
0 likes   

Derek Ortt

#142 Postby Derek Ortt » Mon Mar 13, 2006 12:56 pm

but in 2004, we had a very strong trough over the EC in August, despite a strong high present in March. Who is to say that this time, this trough wont persist for the whole season, bringing everything into Carolina
0 likes   

User avatar
SouthFloridawx
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 8346
Age: 46
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:16 am
Location: Sarasota, FL
Contact:

#143 Postby SouthFloridawx » Mon Mar 13, 2006 1:13 pm

Image

Shows the high pressure.

Additionally checking out the new gfs run today and there is some rain in our forecast for south floirda. Wohooo...
0 likes   

User avatar
gatorcane
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 23694
Age: 47
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:54 pm
Location: Boca Raton, FL

#144 Postby gatorcane » Mon Mar 13, 2006 3:32 pm

but in 2004, we had a very strong trough over the EC in August, despite a strong high present in March. Who is to say that this time, this trough wont persist for the whole season, bringing everything into Carolina


When we haven't had a strong Bermuda High in the spring, it seems that this High is not as strong later in the season. Even though I absolutely agree that a strong High in Spring doesn't mean it will be around at the heart of the season, I think that it increases the likelyhood.

I would love to see some research about the chances of a dominant Bermuda High feature Aug - September given a strong Bermuda High in March - May.
0 likes   

corpusbreeze
Category 1
Category 1
Posts: 386
Joined: Fri Jan 02, 2004 3:57 pm

#145 Postby corpusbreeze » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:03 pm

It looks to me if this high holds out that the gulf coast has another long and destructive season in store.
0 likes   

Opal storm

#146 Postby Opal storm » Mon Mar 13, 2006 4:36 pm

corpusbreeze wrote:It looks to me if this high holds out that the gulf coast has another long and destructive season in store.

Hopefully it backs off by the time Aug/Sept comes around.
0 likes   

User avatar
gatorcane
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 23694
Age: 47
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:54 pm
Location: Boca Raton, FL

#147 Postby gatorcane » Mon Mar 13, 2006 6:28 pm

Looking like hints of summer:

QUICK UPDATED TO ADD 10 PERCENT CHANCE OF SHOWERS TO THE WEST COAST
AND EAST COAST AREAS THIS EVENING...AS A FEW SHOWERS HAVE DEVELOP
ALONG THE EAST AND WEST COAST SEA BREEZES. THESE SHOWERS SHOULD
END LATER THIS EVENING...AS THE HEATING OF THE DAY LOST. REST OF
THE FORECAST LOOKS GOOD AT THIS TIME.

Looks like a front will make it through this week and shift the winds to the NW.
0 likes   

User avatar
weatherwoman132
Category 1
Category 1
Posts: 305
Joined: Wed Mar 08, 2006 7:26 pm

#148 Postby weatherwoman132 » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:11 pm

a weak, very weak front.....only will drop us down to about 80 for our high, from like 86. SO hotttt.
:bday:
0 likes   

User avatar
SouthFloridawx
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 8346
Age: 46
Joined: Tue Jul 26, 2005 1:16 am
Location: Sarasota, FL
Contact:

#149 Postby SouthFloridawx » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:12 pm

It is perfect out tonight.
0 likes   

JonathanBelles
Professional-Met
Professional-Met
Posts: 11430
Age: 35
Joined: Sat Dec 24, 2005 9:00 pm
Location: School: Florida State University (Tallahassee, FL) Home: St. Petersburg, Florida
Contact:

#150 Postby JonathanBelles » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:16 pm

its a muggy 67 degrees here
0 likes   

User avatar
gatorcane
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 23694
Age: 47
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:54 pm
Location: Boca Raton, FL

#151 Postby gatorcane » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:19 pm

It's a muggy here at 74 with a nice E wind at about 10-15Knots. Latest discussion showing the near record upper 80s for interior peninsula FL and the approach of a very weak front that will only barely lower the temps. Winds will shift around to the NW though. But new model guidance is showing a quick return back to the easterlies by Thu.

000
FXUS62 KMFL 140142 AAB
AFDMFL

AREA FORECAST DISCUSSION...UPDATED
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE MIAMI FL
842 PM EST MON MAR 13 2006

<snippet>

DISCUSSION...
SYNOPSIS...SFC HIGH/RIDGE CENTERED AROUND 30N 63W WITH RIDGE
EXTENDING WEST ACROSS NORTH-CENTRAL FLORIDA/NORTHERN GULF. COLD
FRONT EXTENDING SOUTH ALONG MISSISSIPPI VALLEYY THEN SOUTHWEST TO
SOUTH TEXAS. AT THE UPPER LEVEL...A LARGE AMPLITUDE MID/UPPER
LEVEL RIDGE EXTENDING FROM YUCATAN PENINSULA NORTHEAST ACROSS
FLORIDA AND NORTH ACROSS ERN U.S. DEEP LAYER LONG WAVE TROUGH
DIGGING SOUTH ACROSS CENTRAL PLAINS.

UPPER RIDGE WILL BE SQUEEZED WITH SOUTHERN PORTION FORCED TO
RETREAT WEST INTO SOUTHERN GULF OF MEX WHILE NORTHERN PORTION WILL
BE PUSHED EAST BY THE APPROACHING LONG WAVE TROUGH. THIS TROUGH
WILL THEN HELP TO PUSH THE COLD FRONT (MENTIONED ABOVE) SOUTH
ACROSS THE PENINSULA TUESDAY AND TUESDAY NIGHT. THIS SYSTEM WILL
MAKE IT TO SOUTH FLORIDA SOMETIME WEDNESDAY MORNING BUT WILL BE SO
DIFFUSE/WEAK THAT NO SIGNIFICANT WX SHOULD BE EXPECTED. A SECOND
FRONT WILL MOVE TO SOUTH FLORIDA BY SATURDAY WITH SIMILAR
CONDITIONS.

MARINE...SURFACE WINDS SHOULD REMAIN FROM SOUTHERLY DIRECTION AOB
15 KTS TILL FROPA TUE NIGHT/WEDNESDAY MORNING. WINDS WILL VEER TO
NORTHWEST AFTER FROPA AND INCREASE RAPIDLY TO 15 TO 20 KTS. SEAS
WILL RESPOND ACCORDINGLY...ESPECIALLY IN THE GULF STREAM. SEAS IN
THE GULFSTREAM WILL REACH A PEAK BY WEDNESDAY EVENING AND START
SUBSIDING TOWARD THU MORNING.

MFL WATCHES/WARNINGS/ADVISORIES...
FL...NONE.
AM...NONE.
GM...NONE.

$$
Last edited by gatorcane on Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:49 pm, edited 1 time in total.
0 likes   

User avatar
boca
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 6372
Age: 60
Joined: Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:49 am
Location: Boca Raton,FL

#152 Postby boca » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:44 pm

Actually you can't call these cold fronts because theirs no cold air behind them just fronts because the days in the 70's for highs are over. We're in for a long hurricane season folks.
0 likes   

User avatar
gatorcane
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 23694
Age: 47
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:54 pm
Location: Boca Raton, FL

#153 Postby gatorcane » Mon Mar 13, 2006 10:52 pm

Actually you can't call these cold fronts because theirs no cold air behind them just fronts because the days in the 70's for highs are over. We're in for a long hurricane season folks.


In a typical year FL will see a couple of more weather-changing cold fronts between now and June before the real heat engine kicks in....but I'm afraid you could be right about this year Boca as the days of the 70s are long over and 90s are looming in the near distant future.
0 likes   

User avatar
boca
Category 5
Category 5
Posts: 6372
Age: 60
Joined: Mon Dec 15, 2003 8:49 am
Location: Boca Raton,FL

#154 Postby boca » Mon Mar 13, 2006 11:25 pm

Drought index for Palm Bch County is 531. Severe drought is 600.
0 likes   

MiamiensisWx

#155 Postby MiamiensisWx » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:07 am

Listen to the latest Miami NWS discussion on these segments...

.DISCUSSION...UPPER RIDGE WILL CONTINUE TO RETREAT INTO THE
CARIBBEAN AND YUCUTAN AS A STRONG SHORTWAVE MOVES ACROSS THE TOP
OF THE RIDGE. THIS IN TURN WILL ALLOW A WEAK FRONT TO MOVE THROUGH
S FLA LATE TONIGHT/EARLY WEDNESDAY AND THEN BECOME DIFFUSE. ONLY
AN OUTSIDE CHANCE OF A SHRA WITH THE FRONT. ANOTHER FRONT WILL
APPROACH THE REGION ON FRIDAY BUT IT IS BECOMING DOUBTFUL WHETHER
THIS FRONT WILL MAKE IT THIS FAR SOUTH AS THE UPPER FLOW BECOMES
NEARLY ZONAL. AT ANY RATE, NOT MUCH GOING ON IN THE WAY OF WX THIS
WEEK.


&&

.MARINE...SEAS FAIRLY CALM THROUGH TONIGHT AS WINDS REMAIN SE TO S
AT LESS THAN 15 KT. WINDS WILL VEER TO THE N EARLY WEDNESDAY
BEHIND THE FRONT WITH SEAS BUILDING TO SCA CRITERIA AND CONTINUING
INTO WEDNESDAY NIGHT. WINDS WILL THEN RAPIDLY VEER TO THE E ON
THURSDAY AS THE HIGH PRESSURE BUILDS INTO THE ATLANTIC.
0 likes   

User avatar
gatorcane
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 23694
Age: 47
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:54 pm
Location: Boca Raton, FL

#156 Postby gatorcane » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:29 am

Yep, this ridge that has been around all winter is here to stay for a while. I just can't see it "disappearing" for hurricane season.
0 likes   

User avatar
windycity
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 461
Joined: Wed Aug 24, 2005 6:45 pm
Location: P.B.county,Fl.
Contact:

#157 Postby windycity » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:33 am

EEEEk i would say that the Bermuda High is here to stay. I do think that we are in for a very long and tiring hurricane season. Hey, im tired already! :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll: :roll:
0 likes   

User avatar
skysummit
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 5305
Age: 49
Joined: Tue Aug 31, 2004 11:09 pm
Location: Ponchatoula, LA
Contact:

#158 Postby skysummit » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:37 am

I just asked the Magic 8 Ball if the Bermuda High would stay around through August. It said "Definately". I then asked it if we were in for a boring hurricane season, and it said "Not A Chance". That's all the forecasting I need! Up goes the plywood!
0 likes   

User avatar
gatorcane
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 23694
Age: 47
Joined: Sun Mar 13, 2005 3:54 pm
Location: Boca Raton, FL

#159 Postby gatorcane » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:56 am

I just asked the Magic 8 Ball if the Bermuda High would stay around through August. It said "Definately". I then asked it if we were in for a boring hurricane season, and it said "Not A Chance". That's all the forecasting I need! Up goes the plywood!


lol :lol:
0 likes   

User avatar
drezee
S2K Supporter
S2K Supporter
Posts: 3664
Joined: Mon Jun 09, 2003 12:49 pm
Location: FL

#160 Postby drezee » Tue Mar 14, 2006 11:57 am

One effect of the high building would be the lowering of the overall tropical Atlantic sea state. This promotes warmer water for two reasons:

1. Making the angle at which the sunlight heats the sea surface lower. This also lowers the surface area of the ocean itself. I can explain further if needed.

2. Less upwelling
0 likes   


Return to “Talkin' Tropics”

Who is online

Users browsing this forum: WeatherCat and 60 guests