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Ixolib · #41 Postby **Ixolib** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:35 pm

Audrey2Katrina wrote:
Normandy wrote:http://www.ultimatechase.com/Hurricane_Video.htm

Thanks... a good site for some neat videos of a lot of storms... they have the one of Charley and the Gas station and one of Katrina and the surge taken right in Gulfport as the surge moved in... I found that one impressive because you had the double horror of intense wind and massive surge of water busting into the hotel lobby. That car about to crash through the doors was eerie.

A2K

That "Thesis-Device" was pretty amazing too!!! :eek:

Audrey2Katrina · #42 Postby **Audrey2Katrina** » Wed Mar 08, 2006 10:48 pm

My sentiments exactly, Ixolib.

A2K

#43 Postby **Pearl River** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 9:09 am

A2K wrote

ROCK wrote:
true, but we didn't build our city below sea level.

True... but total devastation is total devastation, and the potential is there for the other cited cities as well... Saw the special on the Galveston storm of 1900, and the meteorologists interviewed admitted there could be a repeat of similar devastation (albeit lesser death toll due to better warning) of the area given a worst-case scenario... destruction is destruction whether it's a little below sea-level, or a little above.

A2K

My sentiments exactly A2K. Besides I wasn't around in 1718 to tell Jean Baptiste Le Moyne, sieur de Bienville not to discover New Orleans at that location.

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ROCK · #44 Postby **ROCK** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 11:27 am

Audrey2Katrina wrote:
ROCK wrote:true, but we didn't build our city below sea level.

True... but total devastation is total devastation, and the potential is there for the other cited cities as well... Saw the special on the Galveston storm of 1900, and the meteorologists interviewed admitted there could be a repeat of similar devastation (albeit lesser death toll due to better warning) of the area given a worst-case scenario... destruction is destruction whether it's a little below sea-level, or a little above.

A2K

That why I said it was true. Please read before commenting. :roll:

Wasn't knocking the city of NO either. The point was major DT Houston would not be under water in a cat 5 whereas DT NO would be totally submerged if and when the leeves broke or were over- topped. Price you pay for being below sea level.

#45 Postby **Pearl River** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:10 pm

I don't think it matters whether you're below or just above sea-level. The chance of destruction from flooding will always be there. The biggest problem with N.O. is it would take longer for the water to be removed.

The highest point in Galveston in 1900 was 8.7 ft before the raising. If it is possible to re-build New Orleans in the same manner as Galveston was re-built, I say do it. Even with the technology of today, I believe it would take longer to raise N.O., then it did Galveston. It would still be a good idea.

#46 Postby **vbhoutex** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:18 pm

Pearl River wrote:I don't think it matters whether you're below or just above sea-level. The chance of destruction from flooding will always be there. The biggest problem with N.O. is it would take longer for the water to be removed.

The highest point in Galveston in 1900 was 8.7 ft before the raising. If it is possible to re-build New Orleans in the same manner as Galveston was re-built, I say do it. Even with the technology of today, I believe it would take longer to raise N.O., then it did Galveston. It would still be a good idea.

The technology and then some is certainly available. What needs to be determined is what areas are "salvageable", what areas need to be left as mitigation areas, what is the best design for a levee and canal system to shunt water away from populated areas, etc. The US needs to look at some of the systems in use in Holland, on the Thames in England, and in Venice and determine if systems such as those would be viable for our needs. Lots to be looked at and no time left till season starts so right now they do their best to fix what is broke. Hopefully that will be enough till something else can be done and something else besides what currently exists needs to be done!!

MiamiensisWx · #47 Postby **MiamiensisWx** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:20 pm

More and healthier marshes may also need to be added as buffers in certain areas if it is possible.

#48 Postby **vbhoutex** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:25 pm

CapeVerdeWave wrote:More and healthier marshes may also need to be added as buffers in certain areas if it is possible.

That is a definite need. The question involved here is whether they will just be washed aways as time goes by as the coast is being eroded now. The current erosion of the LA coast is part of the problem now and refurbishment of some of those areas need to be seriously studied imo. The technology is available and has been for years to do that type of work. Heck I designed "wetlands" for development projects in the 1980's, so yes it can be done.

MiamiensisWx · #49 Postby **MiamiensisWx** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 2:27 pm

Maybe more studies should go into more detail on why coastal areas are eroding and what areas are most vulnerable, at risk, or what areas it is happening in...

#50 Postby **Pearl River** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 4:58 pm

The technology and then some is certainly available. What needs to be determined is what areas are "salvageable", what areas need to be left as mitigation areas, what is the best design for a levee and canal system to shunt water away from populated areas, etc. The US needs to look at some of the systems in use in Holland, on the Thames in England, and in Venice and determine if systems such as those would be viable for our needs. Lots to be looked at and no time left till season starts so right now they do their best to fix what is broke. Hopefully that will be enough till something else can be done and something else besides what currently exists needs to be done!!

I agree with what you are saying. I just believe it will take longer. Closing MR-GO, building a type of Dutch system from the Pearl River down to the MS River. It's not just N.O., but those area's along the northshore of Lake Pontchartrain like Mandeville, Lacombe, and Slidell, that received a heck of a beating from the surge need to be protected too.

Maybe more studies should go into more detail on why coastal areas are eroding and what areas are most vulnerable, at risk, or what areas it is happening in...

Most of the erosion is caused by salt water intrusion, this kills the marshes because they are freshwater, and the loveable (HA!) nutria. Those little sucker's eat everything in sight.

Audrey2Katrina · #51 Postby **Audrey2Katrina** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:25 pm

vbhoutex wrote:
CapeVerdeWave wrote:More and healthier marshes may also need to be added as buffers in certain areas if it is possible.

That is a definite need. The question involved here is whether they will just be washed aways as time goes by as the coast is being eroded now. The current erosion of the LA coast is part of the problem now and refurbishment of some of those areas need to be seriously studied imo. The technology is available and has been for years to do that type of work. Heck I designed "wetlands" for development projects in the 1980's, so yes it can be done.

Indeed it IS doable. The problem is getting the powers that be to actually "DO" it.

A2K

Audrey2Katrina · #52 Postby **Audrey2Katrina** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:28 pm

Most of the erosion is caused by salt water intrusion, this kills the marshes because they are freshwater, and the loveable (HA!) nutria. Those little sucker's eat everything in sight.

Ah, our beloved pals from South America! I remember when they became a super nuisance here in Jefferson, clogging up canals etc, and when the Sheriff's office would go on "hunts" for them, you had animal-rights groups going bonkers over it. :roll:

A2K

Ixolib · #53 Postby **Ixolib** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:05 pm

Pearl River wrote:Most of the erosion is caused by salt water intrusion, this kills the marshes because they are freshwater, and the loveable (HA!) nutria. Those little sucker's eat everything in sight.

And what's up with those orange teeth!! :eek:

Barbecued Nutria (compliements of Jo Reynolds)
Ingredients
1 large nutria, cleaned
1 bottle Kraft BBQ sauce
1 large onion, chopped
1 lemon, sliced
Salt and Pepper

Salt and pepper nutria. Stuff nutria body cavity with onion and lemon. Turn leg under and put in a large oven bag. Pour barbecue sauce plus one barbecue sauce bottle of water over nutria. Bake for one to one and a half hours in a 350 degree oven, or until done. Take out and eat. Yummy!

Ixolib · #54 Postby **Ixolib** » Thu Mar 09, 2006 6:17 pm

CapeVerdeWave wrote:Maybe more studies should go into more detail on why coastal areas are eroding and what areas are most vulnerable, at risk, or what areas it is happening in...

Agree - the more studies, the better the understanding. Presently, there are several ongoing studies underway, many of which have lead or are leading to action plans and actual implementation for reversing the trend.

Here's one link among many:

http://www.laseagrant.org/hurricane/wetlands.htm

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