southern plains freezing rain/sleet thread

[jasons2k]

Yes, Portastorm, you are correct. I understand what Plainsman is trying to say because of all the accidents....but that's like saying if you get a 45mph wind gust in a thunderstorm and it happens to blow a tree over on your roof there should have been a severe thunderstorm warning. Sorry, but that's just not how it works.

[plainsman]

its hard to measure freezing drizzle, and i bet the totals were more then .25 for this storm ya know... are you saying 1,100 ice related wrecks in DFW warrants what they put out? whats an ice storm warning then 10,000 wrecks??? u cant base a storm by what kind of warning they put out ya know!... theres way more wrecks and deaths in DFW now then back on Dec, 7th when they put out a winter storm warning.. roads are much more treacherous this time! and theres way more wrecks! with this then on dec.7th when they put out a winter storm warning partly because it was half ice, half snow on Dec.7th and not all freezing rain....

[Portastorm]

Yes, Portastorm, you are correct. I understand what Plainsman is trying to say because of all the accidents....but that's like saying if you get a 45mph wind gust in a thunderstorm and it happens to blow a tree over on your roof there should have been a severe thunderstorm warning. Sorry, but that's just not how it works.

Exactly ... plus, I'm sure your guys up there did what the Austin/San Antonio NWS guys did down here ... issue public advisories warning of the potential for icy bridges/overpasses and seldom used roadways. Further, the metro police in both cities started warning people Saturday evening to STAY OFF THE ROADS!!!

And lemme tell you a brief story, if I may. Saturday night I was in New Braunfels visiting friends. We had a hotel room in San Antonio because we were going to spend Sunday with other friends from out of town. I had little choice but to drive I-35 for about 25 miles. The car temp gauge told me the temp was 31 degrees and heavy drizzle was falling. Whenever I hit a bridge, I slowed down to about 35 mph. I had people on my tail and people whizzing past me like the roads were dry!

The authorities can only do so much, then people must use common sense.

[aggiecutter]

There have been 6 weather related deaths the past 24 hours over NE Texas and SW Arkansas. The roads at this hour have icy patches, but the bridges and over passes are still trecherous. Things probably won't improve until later this afternoon. As far as weather watches and warnings are concerned, the criteria for issuing them has nothing to do with how many potential accidents the weather might cause. It's all precipitation amount based.

[cctxhurricanewatcher]

And lemme tell you a brief story, if I may. Saturday night I was in New Braunfels visiting friends. We had a hotel room in San Antonio because we were going to spend Sunday with other friends from out of town. I had little choice but to drive I-35 for about 25 miles. The car temp gauge told me the temp was 31 degrees and heavy drizzle was falling. Whenever I hit a bridge, I slowed down to about 35 mph. I had people on my tail and people whizzing past me like the roads were dry!

That stretch of I-35 is dangerous even when it's hot and dry. I can't imagine driving it with ice on it, even just a little bit.

[plainsman]

and as for jenny, i dont know what youre problem was trying to convince yourself nothing happened in DFW from this storm... go ahead and believe if you want to ya know... 1100 ice/freezing rain related wrecks are alot.. i dont why u came on this thread over and over trying to saying theres nothing going on in DFW trolling the southern plains board, just being a troll.... just because Atlanta missed out on another winter event doesnt mean you have to ruin other peoples winter storms.. theyll be other chances for the northern part of the southeast.. im sure an alberta clipper will dip in the northern southeast in early march and bring winter precip to atlanta and charlotte.. 1 of those alberta clippers will bring winter weather in the northern southeast in late february/early march.. it happens just about every yr.. at least light winter precip... and there is about 1100 ft. elevation in parts of west fort worth jenny around weatherford and mineral wells not all parts of DFW are that high though... and gboudx when you were saying you havnt seen a severe ice storm like the one in 2000 in the southeast, you must have not lived in Dallas/fort worth that long huh? .. i have... new yrs eve in 2002 was just as bad and in 1993 i think the worst ice storm to hit Dallas hit that yr on thanksgiving... it froze all of the roads over.. i remember i was ice skating and playing ice hockey in the streets of my neighborhood...

[gboudx]

its hard to measure freezing drizzle, and i bet the totals were more then .25 for this storm ya know... are you saying 1,100 ice related wrecks in DFW warrants what they put out? whats an ice storm warning then 10,000 wrecks??? u cant base a storm by what kind of warning they put out ya know!... theres way more wrecks and deaths in DFW now then back on Dec, 7th when they put out a winter storm warning.. roads are much more treacherous this time! and theres way more wrecks! with this then on dec.7th when they put out a winter storm warning partly because it was half ice, half snow on Dec.7th and not all freezing rain....

Ch 4 weather met said the best DFW airport could report was maybe 1/100th of an inch for the entire weekend. IMO, the NWS did exactly what they should have done. They put us under a Winter Weather Advisory and the criteria was met. Take the NWS bashing somewhere else. It's easy to sit on the sidelines and watch and then critique.

[plainsman]

again its hard to measeure freezing drizzle , and the number of ice related accidents and deaths from this storm (1100) speaks for itself ..... who cares what kind of weather watch they put up

[gboudx]

and gboudx when you were saying you havnt seen a severe ice storm like the one in 2000 in the southeast, you must have not lived in Dallas/fort worth that long huh? .. i have... new yrs eve in 2002 was just as bad and in 1993 i think the worst ice storm to hit Dallas hit that yr on thanksgiving... it froze all of the roads over.. i remember i was ice skating and playing ice hockey in the streets of my neighborhood...

I've lived in the DFW area for over 10 years. I personally have not seen an ice storm of the magnitude in the pics that JenyEliza posted. If you have in the area you live, who am I to dispute? Just like who the heck are you to dispute what I've seen?

[Portastorm]

And lemme tell you a brief story, if I may. Saturday night I was in New Braunfels visiting friends. We had a hotel room in San Antonio because we were going to spend Sunday with other friends from out of town. I had little choice but to drive I-35 for about 25 miles. The car temp gauge told me the temp was 31 degrees and heavy drizzle was falling. Whenever I hit a bridge, I slowed down to about 35 mph. I had people on my tail and people whizzing past me like the roads were dry!

That stretch of I-35 is dangerous even when it's hot and dry. I can't imagine driving it with ice on it, even just a little bit.

Yeah ... it was not pleasant ...

Had I not been in the position of leading another vehicle full of out-of-town folks to their hotel in San Antonio, I would have probably suggested to our New Braunfels friends that we sleep on their floor!!

[gboudx]

again its hard to measeure freezing drizzle , and the number of ice related accidents and deaths from this storm (1100) speaks for itself ..... who cares what kind of weather watch they put up

Ok, what exactly did you expect from the NWS? If you're gonna roll your eyes at me, I won't you to tell me what you expected.

[jasons2k]

again its hard to measeure freezing drizzle , and the number of ice related accidents and deaths from this storm (1100) speaks for itself ..... who cares what kind of weather watch they put up

Well obviously YOU do.

[plainsman]

i wasnt speciffically rolling my eyes at you.. just in general for everybody, so what what kind of watch they put up? who cares? that doesnt measure the magnitude of storms.. they should change the criteria for the watches or something to the potentail damage and deaths the storm can create.. with the ice related deaths and 1100 wrecks, an ice storm warning should have been put up.. the freezing drizzle and mist evaporates before they have a chance to measure it.. and i hate fox 4 weather in Dallas! they downplay every winter storm! nbc5 rebicca miller and david finfrock is good.. i also like channel 8 troy duncan, pete delkus and steve mccauley.. there really good meterologists!

[JenyEliza]

URGENT - WINTER WEATHER MESSAGE
NATIONAL WEATHER SERVICE FORT WORTH TX
1000 AM CST MON FEB 20 2006

...THE WINTER WEATHER ADVISORY WILL BE ALLOWED TO EXPIRE AT 10 AM...

.TEMPERATURES WILL CONTINUE TO WARM ABOVE FREEZING THROUGH THE
MORNING...EXCEPT FOR THE EXTREME NORTHEAST COUNTIES OF NORTH TEXAS
WHERE TEMPERATURES WILL REMAIN AT OR JUST BELOW FREEZING THROUGH
NOON. THE ONLY REMAINING PRECIPITATION TODAY WILL BE IN LOCATIONS
WHERE THE TEMPERATURES ARE ABOVE FREEZING. THEREFORE...THE WINTER
WEATHER WILL BE ALLOWED TO EXPIRE.

[gboudx]

i wasnt speciffically rolling my eyes at you.. just in general for everybody, so what what kind of watch they put up? who cares? that doesnt measure the magnitude of storms.. they should change the criteria for the watches or something to the potentail damage and deaths the storm can create..

The freezing rain/drizzle/fog didn't create the accidents. People choosing to not heed the NWS's advice and use extreme caution caused the accidents. All the NWS can say is that the bridges and overpasses are icing over and use extreme caution. It's up to the driver to behave as if the NWS doesn't know what they're talking about.

[JenyEliza]

I've lived in the DFW area for over 10 years. I personally have not seen an ice storm of the magnitude in the pics that JenyEliza posted.

Of that you should be glad (and I know you are). Our SE ice storms, when we have them, are quite deadly and destructive.

I'll take good old fashioned cold winter rain over an ice storm of >1/4" or more.

If you have in the area you live, who am I to dispute? Just like who the heck are you to dispute what I've seen?

In the world of stock trading, plainsman would be known as a "pumper" (ie, someone who makes more of the value of the stock than it really is, in order to artificially push the stock price up--or in this case, the ice accretion).

While I have no doubt that the DFW area experienced slick roads and multiple MV accidents--it wasn't because of the weather that those accidents happened. It was because of the negligence and stupidity of those who got out on the roads under those conditions.

When we have ice storms here--those of us who have lived through them before and know better--DON'T get out on the roads.

Before a predicted storm comes, we pick up whatever we'll need for the duration (batteries, candles, food, milk, and what have you) and we head home to stay warm and safe. We bunker down. We prepare for massive power outages and undriveable roads, and we don't venture away from home until conditions improve.

NO ONE and I mean NO ONE can drive on ice. If we even have a slight freezing fog and mist--I don't drive. Period.

A little common sense goes a long way.

[JenyEliza]

i wasnt speciffically rolling my eyes at you.. just in general for everybody, so what what kind of watch they put up? who cares? that doesnt measure the magnitude of storms.. they should change the criteria for the watches or something to the potentail damage and deaths the storm can create..

The freezing rain/drizzle/fog didn't create the accidents. People choosing to not heed the NWS's advice and use extreme caution caused the accidents. All the NWS can say is that the bridges and overpasses are icing over and use extreme caution. It's up to the driver to behave as if the NWS doesn't know what they're talking about.

EXACTLY!!!

[plainsman]

well ya thats true, kind of, of course it was the ice and the freezing precipitaion that caused all the accidents without that, there wouldnt have been 1100 ice related wrecks... and also it was because of peoples stupidity ya know... i mean the temperatures were in the 20s with a constant 20 hrs worth of freezing drizzle and freezing mist and 10 hrs worth of freezing rain and people still went out driving.. ya, that was stupid of them to do that and go out and drive and get in wrecks!!!.. both north texas and north georgia have seen some very good good ice storms.. those are probably 2 of the areas in the U.S.A that have seen the most severe ice stroms as a matter of fact because of the amount of moisture that both locations can get and both locations are just far enough north to get arctic air and i know north georgia has to deal with that wedge of cold air and north texas (Dallas/fort worth) is far enough north and especially west to get a very good blast from the Blue northers that move thru the south plains region....

[plainsman]

oh wow!!!! now there saying 2,000 accidents in the Dallas/fort worth, (North Texas area) .... some parts of Dallas are still reporting freezing mist at 32 degrees at 11 pm... accoding to accuweather and some other weather models, North Texas could see snow this coming weekend, on sunday night into early next week.... does anybody have any details or information on that???

[aggiecutter]

The winter weather advisory used to be called a travelers advisory. Why they changed the name, I have no idea. Maybe if they changed it back to travelers advisory, the motorist that venture out on the road during icy times might be more vigilant to the icy conditions.